Floyd Money Mayweather vs Sugar Shane Mosley

Originally Posted by frenchy

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i just wanna say something; everybody has an opinion.
BUT what is nice to see is that boxing still has a lot of passionate fans judging from these opinions and IS NOT the dying sport that everybody else makes it out to be (MMA).
when is the last time a UFC ppv did over 1 million buys,and if boxing is a dying sport why is it generating a **** load of money.40 million paychecks? something obviously is adding up

just wanna say i love the sport,even though the sanctining mafia,and the real mafia and shady promoters try their best to whore it out as much as possible,it just keeps taking it and lives on.
the arturo gatti of sports so to speak
Word on the streets is that UFC had to move their event from May 1st to the next Saturday as they didn't want to compete with a big boxing event.

Originally Posted by frenchy

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it does matter,there are PED's that are flushed from your body 48 hours after you stop taking them,so theoretically all Manny has to do is stop taking them on thursday (latest) and he will e clean by saturday after the fight.

So how would a Performance Enhancing Drug ... enhance your performance... if the drug is flushed from your body prior to the event in question?

Or are you actually saying that he'd have to time it perfectly so that the drug affects him during the fight, but not immediately after the fight??

And how soon after the fight is blood drawn?

And another related but separate question: what kinds of PEDs have been proven to only show up on a blood test, but not a urine test?

Originally Posted by furo

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So how would a Performance Enhancing Drug ... enhance your performance... if the drug is flushed from your body prior to the event in question?
It would make someone work much harder during training than their body would naturally allow them.

Originally Posted by TyCooN

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It would make someone work much harder during training than their body would naturally allow them.

That still doesn't make any sense. Manny submitted to the current standard, which is three tests: one test two months prior, another one month prior (Manny agreed to 24 days prior), and a final test immediately after the fight.

So your argument is that this would allow Manny to train really really hard for what, 20 days max... then stop the taking drug and let it flush his system prior to the fight, when it has no effect whatsoever?

And let's not forget, under the rule that Floyd wants (tests up to 15 days prior), Floyd could still pop HGH during the final 10 days and stop taking it 2 days before the fight starts.... so what are we talking about here... really? A difference of 7 or 8 days max where Manny could be popping HGH when Floyd couldn't... when you look at it this way, you get a sense of how silly Floyd's demands are

Originally Posted by furo

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That still doesn't make any sense. Manny submitted to the current standard, which is three tests: one test two months prior, another one month prior (Manny agreed to 24 days prior), and a final test immediately after the fight. So your argument is that this would allow Manny to train really really hard for what, 20 days max... then stop the taking drug and let it flush his system prior to the fight, when it has no effect whatsoever? And let's not forget, under the rule that Floyd wants (tests up to 15 days prior), Floyd could still pop HGH during the final 10 days and stop taking it 2 days before the fight starts.... so what are we talking about here... really? A difference of 7 or 8 days max where Manny could be popping HGH when Floyd couldn't... when you look at it this way, you get a sense of how silly Floyd's demands are
Floyd doesn't care about having a cutoff date for drug testing, emmanuel does. If you want an example of what Mayweather wants look no further than his most recent 24 7. Mayweather had the power to do anything he wanted in negotiations with Mosley. Remember on the final episode of 24 7 they had those test takers come to Mosley's house right before he was going to leave for vegas? That's what Mayweather REALLY wants in his ideal world. There's really no cutoff date, and it's straight up random. Anyways, they commentators were talking about how the Nevada Athletic State Commission were considering implementing blood testing into their regiment. As much as I don't like emmanuel, I've never thought he was on anything. It was his ignorance that was costing him. If the Nevada Athletic State Commission does make blood testing apart of their rules, and he still doesn't want to take any tests, then I have no choice but to think of him as a cheat.

Originally Posted by TyCooN

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Floyd doesn't care about having a cutoff date for drug testing, emmanuel does.

That's incorrect sir. Manny cares about blood testing, not 'drug testing.' He agreed to random urine testing at any time.

And seriously, do you honestly think Manny is popping a substance like HGH hoping that he might get a 10-15 day edge on "harder training" prior to a fight?

From an athlete's point of view, this is nonsensical. I can't imagine Manny P taking such a huge risk to gain so little out of a few training workouts a mere 10 days prior to a fight; hoping he can flush the drugs from his system in time for the blood test immediately after the fight.

This ain't baseball.

Originally Posted by furo

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That's incorrect sir. Manny cares about blood testing, not 'drug testing.' He agreed to random urine testing at any time.
Yes, I meant blood.

Christ, you guys are all missing the point when it comes to the PED testing debate. The main reason Mayweather keeps pushing this is for a psychological edge, he knows he's already getting into Manny's head. Money May is always about winning the psychological battle before stepping in the ring, (see when he waited extra long to leave his locker room for the ring on Saturday and Mosley had to stand out there waiting anxiously).

He psychologically fucked w/ Mosley in the buildup to the fight and psychologically defeated Mosley when Mosley gave in and tried to talk smack back.

Manny showed his weakness w/ his fear/superstititon of taking blood tests. Team Mayweather saw that and pounced on it and are exploiting it to give them the greatest edge possible.

In the end it doesn't really matter either way. Floyd will beat Manny and all you haters will finally shut the **** up.

Originally Posted by Agent GQ

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Christ, you guys are all missing the point when it comes to the PED testing debate. The main reason Mayweather keeps pushing this is for a psychological edge, he knows he's already getting into Manny's head. Money May is always about winning the psychological battle before stepping in the ring, (see when he waited extra long to leave his locker room for the ring on Saturday and Mosley had to stand out there waiting anxiously).

He psychologically fucked w/ Mosley in the buildup to the fight and psychologically defeated Mosley when Mosley gave in and tried to talk smack back.

Manny showed his weakness w/ his fear/superstititon of taking blood tests. Team Mayweather saw that and pounced on it and are exploiting it to give them the greatest edge possible.

In the end it doesn't really matter either way. Floyd will beat Manny and all you haters will finally shut the **** up.

uhhh...he was waiting for the band O'js to start singing the song MONEY...since it was a live event and a live band its natural there was some delay and confusion,the guy was just waiting for them to start singing for a song he probably paid a lot of money for...no mind ******* attempt there.
and if Mosley can get shaken by waiting a few extra minutes after 18 years as a pro he should quit boxing right now

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Originally Posted by furo

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So your argument is that this would allow Manny to train really really hard for what, 20 days max... then stop the taking drug and let it flush his system prior to the fight, when it has no effect whatsoever?


you obviusly have never taken any PED's.
the trace is gone but the benefits are still there............

Originally Posted by furo

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That still doesn't make any sense.

The effect is the extra muscle that one could pack on and the extra cardio/weight training /technique that you can work on because you recover faster. Also it helps push through injuries in training allowing for a harder training schedule.

Those are all effects that last after the drug is out of your system.

a couple of days before and a day after the fight should be fine. I can understand why same day testing would be a bit of a worry.

Originally Posted by furo

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And seriously, do you honestly think Manny is popping a substance like HGH hoping that he might get a 10-15 day edge on "harder training" prior to a fight?
No, even as a manny hater I don't think he's on anything. His ignorance is costing him his image though. If he still refuses to draw blood after the Nevada Athletic State Commission changes the rules just for him then I'll have no choice but to think he's on the ****. I think Floyd purposely took his time in the locker room to get back at Mosley's team for originally stalling the fight. Mosley's trainer was so obsessed with staying in Floyd's locker forever to make sure the handwraps were legit, and that made him late to wrap Mosley's hands. The whole thing stalled the fight for everyone including $. Anyways, I don't expect the fight to happen. Floyd's fight on Saturday probably outsold emmanuel's "Firepower" by high numbers, and pacquiao has a life outside of boxing. He's running for some politicial position this month. If he gets it we can say goodbye. On a lighter note did anyone else watch the Saul Alvarez undercard? He's only 19, but I'm already a fan. *Knows how to fight off the ropes *Good composure *Has good defense *Somewhat elusive *Full of patience *Excellent timing *Willing to counter by picking his shots He reminds me of a blend of Cotto and Mayweather, but moar Cotto. They predict him to be the next great cholo of Mexico. A trainer like Roger Mayweather would have a field day with this kid. I can see the shoulder roll and lead right hands all day on him.

Originally Posted by TyCooN

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His ignorance is costing him his image though.

In whose eyes, the people who were Manny haters in the first place? I guarantee that for most Pacquiao fans, it's Floyd who looks like the petty guy trying to duck the fight.

Now Floyd has a defamation lawsuit to contend with, which, based on his ****-talking and accusations, he will likely lose unless he just settles out.