2010 NFL Draft

Originally Posted by ArteEtLabore14

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The difference being that Joe Flacco and TJ both have real NFL experience and Whitehurst doesn't, therefore he is judged solely on his pre-season appearances ("relevant" or not).
You can't prove anything based on preseason stats. That's the point. You don't know how Charlie Whitehurst is going to do. Neither do I. I choose to be optimistic because he's got the physical tools to succeed, and a team that just made a pretty significant investment in him who wants him to succeed. If he needs training, he'll get it. You plainly state that he will fail because he sucked in the preseason in San Diego.

Anyways, this debate is academic anyway because there's no way for either of us to prove ourselves right (or the other wrong) until the season actually starts.

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Um... no. Your argument:

Originally Posted by ArteEtLabore14

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Let's be honest, no one is going to be behind Charlie Whitehurst for very long.
My argument:

Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim

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A: As far as I know, you aren't an NFL scout. Neither am I. Neither one of us really knows jack **** about Charlie Whitehurst.
I win.

Charlie Whitehurst is going to make 5 million dollars this year. That is my contribution to this discussion.

Originally Posted by oneblood

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Charlie Whitehurst is going to make 5 million dollars this year. That is my contribution to this discussion.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Hard2Fit

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Still can't believe my 'skins passed on the Terps' Campbell in the 4th.
I was surprised at this as well. Campbell must be more of a workout warrior than we thought.

Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim

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You can't prove anything based on preseason stats. That's the point. You don't know how Charlie Whitehurst is going to do. Neither do I. I choose to be optimistic because he's got the physical tools to succeed, and a team that just made a pretty significant investment in him who wants him to succeed. If he needs training, he'll get it. You plainly state that he will fail because he sucked in the preseason in San Diego.


Um... no. Your argument:


My argument:


I win.

I believe I used the word 'prove'. As much as I believe that Charlie Whitehurst is going to be a flop, and no one is going to be behind him on the depth chart for very long, there's no way to know until we see what happens.

Therefore whatever arguments you or I may make are purely conjecture because unless you have a crystal ball that tells the future (do you?) we won't know until the NFL season.

And I never said "he'll fail because he was bad in pre-season" but I don't believe he will do well. This is based on what I've seen of him in pre-season (basically the only NFL playing time he's had) and what I saw of him in college.

Basically we've both seen the same amount of him as the other, whereas you're a Seahawks fan and you think he'll do well, and I'm not a Seahawks fan and I think he won't. Like I said, we'll see once the season comes around.

No, you don't get it. You have already admitted to the fact that you don't know how Whitehurst is going to do. Therefore my point is proven, and yours remains conjecture and speculation.

It has nothing to do with how well or poorly I think he's going to do or not do. The fact that I'm optimisic, and you are not has nothing to do with it. I never said he was going to be a pro bowl QB. I said he has the tools to succeed, and I think the organization has a significant investment in making that happen. (Something the Chargers didn't have).

You just put forth the opinion that Whitehurst is going to fail, as if it was a fact. It's not.

Everything I said was already proven. Except that you were no scout. Which was then subsequently admitted by you in following posts.

Love the Raider's pick of Jared Veldheer in the Rd. 3.

First player out of my undergrad since 1980.

Go D2!

Originally Posted by Bradford

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Love the Raider's pick of Jared Veldheer in the Rd. 3.

First player out of my undergrad since 1980.

Go D2!

The Raiders actually picked up the biggest O-line studs in the draft as far as pure athletic talent/physicality is concerned. If they pan out this could be a very sweet draft for them.

Honestly I would have liked to have seen the 9ers get Veldheer and skip on the TE.

I'm still waiting for the Raiders to offer Usain Bolt a 15 million contract to play WR.

Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim

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No, you don't get it. You have already admitted to the fact that you don't know how Whitehurst is going to do. Therefore my point is proven, and yours remains conjecture and speculation.

It has nothing to do with how well or poorly I think he's going to do or not do. The fact that I'm optimisic, and you are not has nothing to do with it. I never said he was going to be a pro bowl QB. I said he has the tools to succeed, and I think the organization has a significant investment in making that happen. (Something the Chargers didn't have).

You just put forth the opinion that Whitehurst is going to fail, as if it was a fact. It's not.

Everything I said was already proven. Except that you were no scout. Which was then subsequently admitted by you in following posts.

The 3rd round draft pick they used on wasn't a significant investment? They didn't want to see him succeed? Doesn't really make sense to me.

I put forth the opinion that he was going to fail as what it is, my opinion.

I'm not sure what point you think you've made. If your only point is that "he has the tools to succeed" and that the Seahawks have a "significant investment in making that happen" then sure I'll agree with you.

But I will make the further argument that every player drafted in the NFL has the tools to succeed, and every team that drafted that player has a significant investment in making that happen. It's really a "no duh" statement. They wouldn't have been drafted if NFL teams didn't think the player could succeed, and that they could help them with it.

My OPINION is that Charlie Whitehurst is going to be a career backup, but the FACT of the matter is that we won't know until we see him play.

/discussion

You made no mention of your opinion being an opinion. You said he was going to fail. You said he was going to fail because he's been unimpressive when you've seen him. I called BS.

You also said that the Chargers drafted him to push Rivers. Thats a different type of investment than Giving up a few hundred draft points and ten million dollars with the expectation that he's going to be the next starting QB.

They never intended to Groom Whitehurst to start. They fully committed themselves to Rivers.

There's a big difference between hoping someone succeeds, and putting them in the best position to succeed.

Man the Sea Hawks just signed Whitehurst. The only way I see that ending is poorly. That guy is going to fail at the pro level.

Originally Posted by NorCal

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Man the Sea Hawks just signed Whitehurst. The only way I see that ending is poorly. That guy is going to fail at the pro level.

Welcome to last month. Next... the 2010 nfl draft!

Originally Posted by NorCal

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Man the Sea Hawks just signed Whitehurst. The only way I see that ending is poorly. That guy is going to fail at the pro level.

+1 lol

You guys are assholes.