New George Cleverley range

Originally Posted by lasbar

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They're not the same models using the same lasts...

They do not look the same .

The presentation in the shop is very poor.

I did find them quite disappointing aesthetically speaking


Is that a picture of a Foster's shoe? The leather on that particular one is rather poor quality - very disappointing.

Originally Posted by Leather man

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Is that a picture of a Foster's shoe? The leather on that particular one is rather poor quality - very disappointing.

to my eye it looks terrific, otherwise it wouldn't have built up the nice patina, not?

Originally Posted by fritzl

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to my eye it looks terrific, otherwise it wouldn't have built up the nice patina, not?

I do not think it is a shoe that is that old - could be new.

The leather is course, the grain is fibrous and thus it is creasing in an ugly way - just as cheap shoes do.

I stand by my view that the leather on that shoe is nowhere near the quality it ought to be for the price.

Originally Posted by ManofKent

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I don't think they've been made up especially for Leather Soul - looking at Cleverley's web site it seems they're available like that from their Bond St store.

Perhaps I should have expressed it, that they chose to use those with the rounded toe, which is of course an option on their shoes.

I find their RTW on par with other Brit shoes in the same price range. I'd say the semi-bespoke and AC range shine and are as good as others in that range... qualitatively. We can all argue design until the cows come home.

Foster's "special last" is just the 88 last. It is not unique to Foster. It it just not used by EG on their current stuff. EG made stuff on it in the past.

Originally Posted by Leather man

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I do not think it is a shoe that is that old - could be new. The leather is course, the grain is fibrous and thus it is creasing in an ugly way - just as cheap shoes do. I stand by my view that the leather on that shoe is nowhere near the quality it ought to be for the price.
That's wrong. The leather is not any different that standard EG RTW. The leather on my Foster is the same as EGs. I'm not saying EG uses the best leather available, but it is incorrect to say that Foster's offerings use inferior leather than EG.

Originally Posted by rebel222

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Foster's "special last" is just the 88 last. It is not unique to Foster. It it just not used by EG on their current stuff. EG made stuff on it in the past.

The leather on my Foster is the same as EGs.

It might be..I was just disappointed by what was on offer...

It is a personal assessment.

Horses for courses..

I didn't think their lack of presentation skills is helping either..

Meh, they are not exciting at all.

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George Cleverley has several workrooms based in London, Kent, Cornwall & Northampton (all in England) where they make their RTW shoes. The demand/orders for their shoes cannot be made in just one workroom. It is true that they have a workroom at C&J, BUT, they are made COMPLETELY different and to a much high specification. They are made using Cleverley's craftsman, Cleverley's designs, Cleverley's selection of leathers, and most importantly, Cleverley's lasts. Cleverley's head pattern cutter, Mr. Dominic Casey, spends 3 days in their London workroom and 2 days in their workshop at C&J overseeing all production.

I hope this clears up any confusion about the topic of Cleverley RTW and Crockett and Jones.

Aloha,

Tom
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I call bullsh*t on the bolded part of the above. I have to believe this refers to the bespoke part of the business, which relies significantly on outworkers to do various portions of the work (also true of the other UK bespoke firms).

What part of the factory RTW business would conceivably be done away from the factory?

I believe the folks at Cleverley have historically been quite good at creating confusion/obfuscating the truth around their RTW line's provenance.

My only concern is that the Cleverly's look identical to C&J RTW. Same models, maybe a different last. However, the shoes look the same. I could be wrong because I haven't handled any.

I think for the price point the standard RTW makes for a good purchase. I have both C&J and Cleverley and there is a difference (both in the last and quality of construction). Others in this forum have agreed in previous discussions about this topic, that have both shoes.

I think the AC line is alot better than their standard range, but then one does get what you pay for.

Originally Posted by rebel222

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Foster's "special last" is just the 88 last. It is not unique to Foster. It it just not used by EG on their current stuff. EG made stuff on it in the past.


Exactly. You can walk into the store, look around and point to the EGs in a matter of seconds. They are pretty obvious.

Originally Posted by rebel222

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My only concern is that the Cleverly's look identical to C&J RTW. Same models, maybe a different last. However, the shoes look the same. I could be wrong because I haven't handled any.
I apologise for my ignorance but how can two shoes look the same if they are made on different lasts?

Originally Posted by rebel222

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Foster's "special last" is just the 88 last. It is not unique to Foster. It it just not used by EG on their current stuff. EG made stuff on it in the past.



That's wrong. The leather is not any different that standard EG RTW. The leather on my Foster is the same as EGs.

I'm not saying EG uses the best leather available, but it is incorrect to say that Foster's offerings use inferior leather than EG.

I don't doubt what you are saying. My comment refers only to the picture of that particular shoe.

I happen to think that the leathers Edward Green use are amongst the best in the RTW business. All my EG shoes are made from much better leather than the Fosters in that picture, but then maybe the pictured pair are the exception WRT Fosters.

Originally Posted by Leather man

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I do not think it is a shoe that is that old - could be new. The leather is course, the grain is fibrous and thus it is creasing in an ugly way - just as cheap shoes do. I stand by my view that the leather on that shoe is nowhere near the quality it ought to be for the price.
cheap shoes crease differently. you might irritate this. it's obvious, that you are clueless about leather and shoes in general. but there's hope, you'll grow into it and i do not listen to people with a low post count(sf rule of thumb)

Originally Posted by fritzl

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cheap shoes crease differently. you might irritate this.

it's obvious, that you are clueless about leather and shoes in general.

but there's hope, you'll grow into it and i do not listen to people with a low post count(sf rule of thumb)

I trust this was sarcastic?