Why Lesser has some hegemony on Savile row ?

Originally Posted by Manton

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oooh. Someone should do a YouTube with Hitler being told that his new A&S coat doesn't fit.

Originally Posted by A Y

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Still in the cards ... Actually it was going to involve Hitler ordering a black suit and being told that you don't approve.

--Andre

UM GOTTES WILLEN!!!!!!! Ich wollte diesen Anzug auf STALINGRAD tragen!!!!!!! Mein Schneider hat mir VERRATEN!!!!!!!!!

And I used to think I could just walk away from all this ... amusement.

It may be my only entertainment once I am deeper in the provinces ... assuming there is Internet service.

Originally Posted by Manton

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I don't know what you are insinuating, but if you ask around you will find that virutally all the tailors

at Lesser's poor business sense and marketing and worry that the firm will go out of business. That is hardly indicative of payoffs, bribes, kickbacks or whatever. They are known to charge pretty much the most of the mainstream merchants (Scabal diamond dust and super-dupers notwithstanding). SR either passes that cost along to the clients (making the Lesser upcharge disadvantageous from a sales perspective) or doesn't (in which case the tailor eats the differential). Both of those facts would also seem to undermine whatever point you were trying to insinuate.
Easy tiger. I'm not insinuating anything. I said 'One could be cynical and suggest...' I remember defending Lessers in that very thread that RJman has quoted above.

Originally Posted by George

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Easy tiger. I'm not insinuating anything. I said 'One could be cynical and suggest...'

Yes, one could be cynical and libel the business practices of respected merchants without any evidence at all. Actually, "cynical" is really the wrong word for that, isn't it?

Originally Posted by RSS

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And I used to think I could just walk away from all this ... amusement. It may be my only entertainment once I am deeper in the provinces ... assuming there is Internet service.
I'm now on the lookout for any thread with hegemony in the title.

Originally Posted by A Y

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I believe A&S have a hegemony on divots.

--Andre

some hegemony yes. But why?

Originally Posted by mafoofan

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I speak Mandarin, the true language of love.

You use marmalade? That's weird.

Originally Posted by Manton

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Yes, one could be cynical and libel the business practices of respected merchants without any evidence at all. Actually, "cynical" is really the wrong word for that, isn't it?
I know I mentioned FNB and Lessers in the same thread, but there really is no need to get excited about it. Also, we were talking about the tailors on Savile Row pushing a certain cloth and why, not the merchants.

Originally Posted by George

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I know I mentioned FNB and Lessers in the same thread, but there really is no need to get excited about it.

Also, we were talking about the tailors on Savile Row pushing a certain cloth and why, not the merchants.

Oh, OK, so you meant to trash the tailors without evidence and not Lesser. Well, that clears that up! Certainly exonarates you!

Originally Posted by Manton

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Oh, OK, so you meant to trash the tailors without evidence and not Lesser. Well, that clears that up! Certainly exonarates you!
Look, tailors push cloths that they get at discount, merchants often sell roll ends, cloth with faults (marked with strings) etc. These are usually offered at discount to the tailor. The tailor doesn't pass this discount onto the customer but pockets the difference, the customer is none the wiser. The auto industry does similar things within it's dealer network. The electronics industry does it with their retailers, they are incentivised to promote certain lines more than others for various reasons, it's good business.

Originally Posted by George

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Look, tailors push cloths that they get at discount, merchants often sell roll ends, cloth with faults (marked with strings) etc. These are usually offered at discount to the tailor. The tailor doesn't pass this discount onto the customer but pockets the difference, the customer is none the wiser. The auto industry does similar things within it's dealer network. The electronics industry does it with their retailers, they are incentivised to promote certain lines more than others for various reasons, it's good business.

And this applies to tailors and Lesser ... why? Neither I nor dozens of friends who've bought their cloth nor dozens of tailors whom I've used have ever come accross one shred of evidence of anything like the above. Indeed, the opposite is true. Consumers and tailors alike praise Lesser in terms that they use for no other brand of cloth. My personal experience is that nothing is better and maybe some tiny % is equal to it. For your original insinuation to be correct, by the way, then all these tailors over the course of my nearly 20 years of doing this must have been getting a steady stream of faulty cloth. Also, when I have been encouraged to order Lesser from the books, they must have known that every single cloth in that book was cut rate. Oh, and even when I have ordered from brand new Lesser books, I suppose all those were end bolts and riddled with strings?

I guess you have some axe to grind, which is in keeping with your other observed proclivities. Grind it all you want, but when you do it in public like this people may well speak up. Like I said to another person today, you just have to factor that in as a transaction cost.

Anyone keeping score?

Originally Posted by RSS

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Anyone keeping score?

Sorry guys...

I do think there is a historical dimension to it and the Lesser netweork and link to SR tailors seem quite strong...

I have met someone from Lesser when I was at Huntsman and we did have a chat because he remembered me trying to buy some Golden bale directly from them...

Is it just due to networking , the quality of the fabrics , a good business model or a bit of the above?

Originally Posted by Manton

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And this applies to tailors and Lesser ... why? Neither I nor dozens of friends who've bought their cloth nor dozens of tailors whom I've used have ever come accross one shred of evidence of anything like the above. Indeed, the opposite is true. Consumers and tailors alike praise Lesser in terms that they use for no other brand of cloth. My personal experience is that nothing is better and maybe some tiny % is equal to it. For your original insinuation to be correct, by the way, then all these tailors over the course of my nearly 20 years of doing this must have been getting a steady stream of faulty cloth. Also, when I have been encouraged to order Lesser from the books, they must have known that every single cloth in that book was cut rate. Oh, and even when I have ordered from brand new Lesser books, I suppose all those were end bolts and riddled with strings? I guess you have some axe to grind, which is in keeping with your other observed proclivities. Grind it all you want, but when you do it in public like this people may well speak up. Like I said to another person today, you just have to factor that in as a transaction cost.
Unbelievable. You really do know the meaning of the word hyperbole don't you?

Originally Posted by RSS

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And I used to think I could just walk away from all this ... amusement.

It may be my only entertainment once I am deeper in the provinces ... assuming there is Internet service.

Do they have birdseed in the Outback?




- B