If your wardrobe is too large, you end up looking worse.

I wonder if Vox uses this same strategy in real life.

"No, you see, look here [points at iPhone screen]. See, I'm right. I. Am. Right."

Originally Posted by Mr. Moo

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You are far too predictable, old man. I knew you would post this. You or trannyboy.

Come talk to me when you figure out how to dress.

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

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There are those who like to sound clever by paraphrasing Fred Astaire's quotation about throwing his A&S suits against the wall before wearing them.

I guarantee you, however, that after Astaire wore these suits, his studio valet or butler would have pressed them. He wasn't the kind of guy who would show up somewhere with droopy knees.

He did mention getting it pressed before being seen in public. The impression I got is it wasn't about looking like you'd slept in it but about not looking like a kid on his first day of school in his new clothes.

Originally Posted by Mr. Moo

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I wonder if Vox uses this same strategy in real life.

"No, you see, look here [points at iPhone screen]. See, I'm right. I. Am. Right."




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Originally Posted by voxsartoria

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well played. I also saw something like this coming.

The choice between lived-in vs not is far more about personality than it is about the quantity of clothes one owns. One of the in house counsel at my firm is a former Army officer. He must be close to 60, but every day he comes in wearing either a charcoal or navy suit, white shirt and striped tie. All pressed with, dare I say, military precision. His black captoes have a mirror polish, and I don't ever think I've seen him wear brown shoes. He exhibits none of the lived-in sprezz that many here seem to fawn over and would expect given the OPs assumptions about smaller wardrobes. I imagine those with OCD tendencies would share this philopsophy while those with a more laissez-faire attitude would be more comfortable with sprezz.

Personally the idea of appearing in public with an unpressed suit leaves me twitching like a Parkinson's patient.

Originally Posted by radicaldog

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Other things being equal, that is. Discuss.

Too many options can lead to bad combos. I think the key to looking good as often as possible is to acquire things that can be mixed with most of your other things easily.

I guess one could do this with a large wardrobe, but it would probably work better (or just as well) with a smaller one. This restrained approach narrows one's style identity, so probably won't work for those who are more experimental or like to express different identities.

I like a tightly edited wardrobe but in the end, since mine has a couple of dimensions, it ends up being relatively large.

The lived-in vs. not lived-in debate mainly concerns the study of clothes through pictures. I think it's nonsense, to be honest.

There's at least two ways to be well dressed. First, the "style without effort" way. You study clothes and lurk on internet fora but this is a big secret that you keep from your friends and co-workers. If this is the case, when you enlarge your clothing rotation beyond the usual (for your friends and co-workers), that betrays your effort. People eventually note that you have all these different shoes and jackets and start to wonder why that's the case. You don't own the hobby and yet you have so many looks. Here I think too many clothes begins to make a person look like (a) he does not know who he is, and (b) he maybe cannot control his impulse to shop and spend. Neither thing is good. So yeah, if you are going for stealth style, keep the quantity small.

If your goal is "Look at me, I know how to enjoy life a great deal," then having great clothes is just another way you show this. You are a dandy. You can have all the clothing you want and that's not going to undermine your being well-dressed in any way.

If your wardrobe is very large because you have a lot of crappy clothing, your problem is not that your wardrobe is too large. Your problem is that you have a lot of crappy clothing. Why are you keeping crappy clothing? Some things are not worth the rent you pay for an inch of closet rail.

I have some strong feelings about some ideas and opinions put forth in this thread, but I choose not to share them.

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

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You don't buy my description?

There is a thread devoted to the lived in look on StyleForvm and it is called WAYWRN. Nearly every ensemble is lived in and askew.

If you think about the totality of it, would WAYWRN posters look betting becoming more lived-in and askew, or less?

What could be more lived in than standing on your own carpeted toilet lid?


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I absolutely buy your description, but was unclear whether the OP was using the same definition.

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I have some strong feelings about some ideas and opinions put forth in this thread, but I choose not to share them.

Me, too.

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What if you're too large for your wardrobe?

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I've been trying to pare down my wardrobe. My issue with it being too large is that I feel the need to always wear everything I own. I wind up with some rather poor combinations, because I'm forcing myself to make use of particular items. I feel much more comfortable with a small selection of high quality items which I can mix and match pretty easily without too much thought or effort. I think PG and Foo have mastered this very well, although with perhaps a bit too much compulsiveness. Nonetheless, I like what they've achieved and have been pushing myself in that direction.

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The lived-in vs. not lived-in debate mainly concerns the study of clothes through pictures. I think it's nonsense, to be honest.

There's at least two ways to be well dressed. First, the "style without effort" way. You study clothes and lurk on internet fora but this is a big secret that you keep from your friends and co-workers. If this is the case, when you enlarge your clothing rotation beyond the usual (for your friends and co-workers), that betrays your effort. People eventually note that you have all these different shoes and jackets and start to wonder why that's the case. You don't own the hobby and yet you have so many looks. Here I think too many clothes begins to make a person look like (a) he does not know who he is, and (b) he maybe cannot control his impulse to shop and spend. Neither thing is good. So yeah, if you are going for stealth style, keep the quantity small.

If your goal is "Look at me, I know how to enjoy life a great deal," then having great clothes is just another way you show this. You are a dandy. You can have all the clothing you want and that's not going to undermine your being well-dressed in any way.

If your wardrobe is very large because you have a lot of crappy clothing, your problem is not that your wardrobe is too large. Your problem is that you have a lot of crappy clothing. Why are you keeping crappy clothing? Some things are not worth the rent you pay for an inch of closet rail.

Very well put, Dewey.

It is very easy to get noticed when you keep wearing different sets of clothing all the time. A new dress or a shoe is OK once in a while, but people (friends/co-workers) just notice and ask you, for instance if you wear different pairs of shoes all the time. I know, because this happened a lot to me when I started expanding my shoe rotation. I did it fairly slowly, but it still got noticed. Even now I am quite uncomfortable as hell when someone makes a normal comment about me having so many shoes. I have hunted and found reasonably well fitting RTW shirts and trousers. I dress very conservatively and minimalistic. I don't have too big a clothes rotation, and i cannot imagine having it any bigger than what it is now. Maybe it is just me, but I don't *want* to get noticed for being a dandy, or a clothes horse. You can definitely be well dressed without having a big rotation.

Most looks posted on MC are way over the top for me (flamboyant pocket squares, texture/patten combining, color combinations) and it is just not my style. While I enjoy looking at and commenting on pictures posted, I cannot imagine ever dressing like that for work or leisure.

For lack of a better way to describe this, I am moving towards a Parker/Foo/PG style wardrobe with few versatile but well fitting items. It makes a lot of sense to me personally and considering the image I'd like to put out socially.