NFL 2009 Discussion

countdemoney · Sep 24, 2009

Do you guys not read the news? Jets allegedly offered the money he wanted if he held out and went to new york next year.

I'd sure as **** rather be catching passes (tee hee) from Mark Sanchez

than Hill or god forbid, Alex Smith. Plus he gets the deal he wants.

And this is going to be a huge tampering case if it turns out to be true. Multiple #1 picks for certain. Between this and favre gate, the GM is going to lose a lot of money and possibly his right to work in the NFL. Probably not the last as Gooddell has been fairly lenient with folks.

Slopho · Sep 24, 2009

And this is going to be a huge tampering case if it turns out to be true. Multiple #1 picks for certain. Between this and favre gate, the GM is going to lose a lot of money and possibly his right to work in the NFL. Probably not the last as Gooddell has been fairly lenient with folks.

So true. He's lenient with management and throws the book at players. What ever happen to the tapes of Rams' practices that New England shot??

NorCal · Sep 24, 2009

Crabetree is a ******* idiot. There is NO WAY this is going to end well for him. The best possible outcome is he takes the 9er's offer. Even assuming that the Jets did make him an offer its assuming a lot that they will end up with his draft rights. Say he does reenter the draft, who is to say another team wont draft him. And by all indications there will be a slotting system next year so even if the Jets did draft him he would be paid according to their draft position. Jest look decent, and will likely finish higher than seventh worst in the league. As for the whole "i should have been drafted #7" all I can say is shut the **** up you little *************. Brady Quin was supposed to be top five, Arron Rodgers was supposed to be top five, **** happens.

In a way I hope the 9ers don't sign him, trade him for a second round pick and spend the dollars on a proven free agent. The rookie salary scale is ridiculous.

This whole thing just goes to show never draft an egomaniacal "skill" player with a #1 pick.

dcg · Sep 24, 2009

The other problem is that they're not allowed to trade his rights until March 1. Of course, even then it would be difficult to do so as they'd have to find a team with suitable cap room that was willing to pay him what he's asking.

If he is not signed by week 10, he is ineligible to play this year and any contract he would sign w/ the 49ers would begin next year.

It is unfathomable to me that any team would take him higher than 10th overall next year. And once you get past 10, since you're going to pay him less then the Raiders offered, at what point does his talent outweigh the concern that he won't sign? Remember, with the rookie pay scale each team is slotted a certain amount to pay rookies based on number of picks and draft position, so it's not as if you can take him late 1st/early 2nd round and pay him like a top 5 guy without compromising your ability to sign the rest of your picks. I'm rooting for him to continue to hold out because I'd love to see where he goes in next year's draft.

Rambo · Sep 24, 2009

There really isn't a great receiver anywhere in the current college landscape. He could easily go top 10 next year as well. I liked this take on it from Bill Simmons:

embowafa · Sep 24, 2009

There really isn't a great receiver anywhere in the current college landscape. He could easily go top 10 next year as well. I liked this take on it from Bill Simmons:

Gotta love Bill Simmons' ability to put things into context.

While he and Crabtree may be "right", to fight over a couple mil when you're guaranteed to make $20 is ******* stupid. To say otherwise is also ******* stupid.

dcg · Sep 24, 2009

There really isn't a great receiver anywhere in the current college landscape. He could easily go top 10 next year as well. I liked this take on it from Bill Simmons:

There really isn't a receiver who is projected to be great. Projections can be wrong both ways. There was a lot of talk around Mike Williams as well. Granted, he was taken 10th overall after sitting a year out - but he sat out for reasons beyond his control, had the benefit of Matt Millen having the 10th pick, and of course never ended up doing anything in the NFL.

I think the girl in Simmons' story would be more likely to stick around if she wasn't allowed to date anyone but you for the next year.

Ambulance Chaser · Sep 24, 2009

Let's assume Crabtree gets drafter higher in next year's draft -- say #7. What's to stop him from telling the new team, "I've looked at this year's draft and think I'm one of the top four players. Give me a contract comparable to that of the #4 pick."? Knowing that possibility, what team in its right mind will spend a high first-round pick on him?

If Crabtree thinks he is the best WR in this year's draft, he needs to get on the field and prove it.

NorCal · Sep 24, 2009

Bills S is a idiot. Crabtree played in a pass happy COLLEGE offense. Sure he looked good. But thats no guarantee that he will be a great pro. In fact if history is any guide predictions of future greatness are pretty much worthless. And its not like he's being asked to play for free. There were two knocks on CT. First that he was a drama queen and a diva (read: high maintenance *****). Second, that he might not be as good as his stats would seem due to the nature of the offense he played in. So far he is proving knock #1 to be spot on, and thus has not had a chance to disprove knock #2.

TO is great player but that has not stopped teams from trading him due to his behavior. Even if CT turns out to be as good a player as TO (which is highly doubtful) he will still be a liability due to his attitude (unless he grows the **** up).

Rambo · Sep 24, 2009

For a team in need of a receiver, who is out there that is better than Crabtree? I'd throw $25 mil at him, most of it non-guaranteed, with a **** load of incentives based on production. What's to lose?

Norcal - All receivers are divas.

NorCal · Sep 24, 2009

Norcal - All receivers are divas.

True dat, although some are better than others. Thats why you should only draft (hella) down-linemen and middle linebackers #1.

Tokyo Slim · Sep 24, 2009

For a team in need of a receiver, who is out there that is better than Crabtree? I'd throw $25 mil at him, most of it non-guaranteed, with a **** load of incentives based on production.

You could be the next GM for the Lions with that kind of mentality.

Plus, he won't sign your deal. It's chump change as far as Crabtree is concerned, or haven't you been paying attention? That is likely less than the 49ers offered.

embowafa · Sep 24, 2009

For a team in need of a receiver, who is out there that is better than Crabtree? I'd throw $25 mil at him, most of it non-guaranteed, with a **** load of incentives based on production. What's to lose?

Norcal - All receivers are divas.

If you were GM, you'd be in the same situation as the 9ers. He wants it all guaranteed.

You could be the next GM for the Lions with that kind of mentality.

Plus, he won't sign your deal. It's chump change as far as Crabtree is concerned, or haven't you been paying attention? That is likely less than the 49ers offered.

+1

Rambo · Sep 24, 2009

The Niners offered $20. Rumor is he wants $40. I'm just saying I'd offer him something down the middle with incentives to put him over the $40 mark.

I'd take the Lions GM job. Lord knows I couldn't ******* up as badly as Matt Millen did. Maybe I'll draft receivers with the 1st pick 3 years in a row. That sounds like a good plan.

Tokyo Slim · Sep 24, 2009

The Niners offered $20. Rumor is he wants $40. I'm just saying I'd offer him something down the middle with incentives to put him over the $40 mark.
The problem is not your up front number, its the guarantee. Your "$25 mil most of it non-guaranteed" is quite likely less money than the 49er's offered him. You'd think that in line with the players above and below him in the draft, they offered him around 16-17 million guaranteed. You can offer him the 40 million that he's asking for, but if 20-something of it isn't guaranteed, he's not going to sign it, cause it's not what he thinks he's worth. (even though he might be worthless)

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