Where are we in the styleforum / iGent MC hype cycle?

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Click to expand...

With Manton's impending dinner suit order, I think it's fair to say that double-breasted dnner suits with shawl lapels are at least pre-buzz.

Either pre-buzz or B2TB

Originally Posted by gdl203

Click to expand...

Either pre-buzz or B2TB

Hmm. Was there ever a backlash against them?

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Click to expand...

Hmm. Was there ever a backlash against them?

Yea - sometime in the late 80s, early 90s - the DBSL tux cycle is pretty long

Originally Posted by chorse123

Click to expand...

Overhyped: elbow pockets, MOP buttons

Are elbow pockets with MOP buttons a Glennie design?

Originally Posted by chorse123

Click to expand...

Overhyped: elbow pockets, MOP buttons

I think they're fine, but they are overhyped.

I was pretty much ready to backlash the minute I read it. But now you said it was a mistake so I would be getting backlash to my backlash. But then Alanc mentioned that EG might be on the job so they could be pre-buzz

Originally Posted by gdl203

Click to expand...

Yea - sometime in the late 80s, early 90s - the DBSL tux cycle is pretty long

Oh. I was interpreting the cycle strictly with respect to Styleforum.

Speaking of the cycle, I still don't get it. Does each thing (say, knit ties) move along a predetermined path, gradually ascending from pre-buzz to backlash-to-the-backlash? Or are the cycle positions discrete from each other? In other words, can something pop into the pre-buzz position, but never make it into the buzz position, yet later appear in the backlash position? Also, the 'backlash' position is confusing. If knit ties are in the backlash position, it sounds like they are the backlash--but the backlash to what? If knit ties are the things subject to backlash, is the backlash-to-the-backlash thing the response to the thing currently being backlashed against (the knit ties)? Also the cycle positions each evaluate popularity differently. Some, like pre-buzz, are not about absolute popularity, but popularity amongst certain people (otherwise, it would just be buzz). So, theoretically, couldn't a knit ties occupy two positions in the cycle at the same time? There could be a general backlash against them while a few key people could be getting into them again, making them pre-buzz, too. I don't understand.

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Click to expand...

Speaking of the cycle, I still don't get it. Does each thing (say, knit ties) move along a predetermined path, gradually ascending from pre-buzz to backlash-to-the-backlash? Or are the cycle positions discrete from each other? In other words, can something pop into the pre-buzz position, but never make it into the buzz position, yet later appear in the backlash position? Also, the 'backlash' position is confusing. If knit ties are in the backlash position, it sounds like they are the backlash--but the backlash to what? If knit ties are the things subject to backlash, is the backlash-to-the-backlash thing the response to the thing currently being backlashed against (the knit ties)? Also the cycle positions each evaluate popularity differently. Some, like pre-buzz, are not about absolute popularity, but popularity amongst certain people (otherwise, it would just be buzz). So, theoretically, couldn't a knit ties occupy two positions in the cycle at the same time? There could be a general backlash against them while a few key people could be getting into them again, making them pre-buzz, too. I don't understand.

Yes

Exotic skin shoes are pre-buzz

Black shoes = buzz

Soporific ties = Rave reviews

Skinny ties are saturated

Brunello Cucinelli is seriously overhyped (handwork in shirts too)

Incotex = backlash

Boat shoes are in the B2B

Originally Posted by gdl203

Click to expand...

Yes

Damn it. You only answered one of my questions.

Originally Posted by AlanC

Click to expand...

Are elbow pockets with MOP buttons a Glennie design?

I think that would be simply cut outs in the elbow--so the shirt shows through. Wow, I think I might be the twenty first centuries most innovative designer.

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Click to expand...

Oh. I was interpreting the cycle strictly with respect to Styleforum.

Speaking of the cycle, I still don't get it. Does each thing (say, knit ties) move along a predetermined path, gradually ascending from pre-buzz to backlash-to-the-backlash? Or are the cycle positions discrete from each other? In other words, can something pop into the pre-buzz position, but never make it into the buzz position, yet later appear in the backlash position? Also, the 'backlash' position is confusing. If knit ties are in the backlash position, it sounds like they are the backlash--but the backlash to what? If knit ties are the things subject to backlash, is the backlash-to-the-backlash thing the response to the thing currently being backlashed against (the knit ties)? Also the cycle positions each evaluate popularity differently. Some, like pre-buzz, are not about absolute popularity, but popularity amongst certain people (otherwise, it would just be buzz). So, theoretically, couldn't a knit ties occupy two positions in the cycle at the same time? There could be a general backlash against them while a few key people could be getting into them again, making them pre-buzz, too. I don't understand.

Can we move the foo back to regular "backlash"?

Originally Posted by chorse123

Click to expand...

Can we move the foo back to regular "backlash"?

foo has the power to reverse the cycle

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Click to expand...

Oh. I was interpreting the cycle strictly with respect to Styleforum.

Speaking of the cycle, I still don't get it.
1Does each thing (say, knit ties) move along a predetermined path, gradually ascending from pre-buzz to backlash-to-the-backlash?

2Or are the cycle positions discrete from each other? In other words, can something pop into the pre-buzz position, but never make it into the buzz position, yet later appear in the backlash position?

3Also, the 'backlash' position is confusing.

4If knit ties are in the backlash position, it sounds like they are the backlash--but the backlash to what?

5If knit ties are the things subject to backlash, is the backlash-to-the-backlash thing the response to the thing currently being backlashed against (the knit ties)?

6Also the cycle positions each evaluate popularity differently. Some, like pre-buzz, are not about absolute popularity, but popularity amongst certain people (otherwise, it would just be buzz). So, theoretically, couldn't a knit ties occupy two positions in the cycle at the same time?
There could be a general backlash against them while a few key people could be getting into them again, making them pre-buzz, too.

7I don't understand.

I will answer your questions for the good of this thread. I have helpfully numbered them.

1. Yes, but what the thing is and the rapidity with which it moves along the cycle are both amorphous concepts. It is also possible for items to be in multiple categories, defying euclidian geometry and screaming along the curve at two different points at the same time. So, for example, Marinella might be buzz and knit ties might be backlash. A Marinella knit tie would then be both buzz and backlash at the same time.

2. It can be the case that something holds its position or even reverses, but you can never skip any steps. If it seems like it skipped a step then you just weren't part of the in-crowd participating in that step.

3. No.

4. There is backlash with respect to the knit tie, just like there is buzz with respect to the knit tie. Aside from those little electric hand shake toys and don't taze me bro, the thing itself is not actually buzzing.

5. The backlash to the backlash is also with respect to the thing (for example, knit ties). The backlash to the backlash generally reflects favorably on the thing, but it is not outside the realm of possibility that it could go completely elsewhere. For example, the backlash to the backlash regarding knit ties might combine (like Voltron) with the buzz rave about wearing scarves around your kneck in the summer and everyone might suddently take to knitting their own scarves to wear in the summer. The cycle is mysterious and powerful.

6. Yes, but not for the reason you suggest (see 1 above). You may have your own cycle (it may, for example, be stuck on alden #8 longwing plaza last RAVE) and that cycle may differ from The Cycle, but an item's multiple places on the cycle is never due to individual preference. The cycle reflects ancient primordial reflexive brainstem gestalt wisdom.

7. This reminds me of this story. Reflect on it and be well.

Pre-Buzz: small time vintage ties Buzz: sunglasses

Foo--the cycle is not subjective. An item's position in the cycle is, as ohm suggests, a function of the cultural zeitgeist at a given moment in time. An individual might misperceive an item's position on the curve, but that is no different from any other misperception of reality. We can argue about the proper position of something, but that does not preclude there being a correct answer for a given item. Idiots don't get a veto in mathematics either.