New Sofa: Florence Knoll in Ivory Cato

TheFoo · Jun 18, 2009

Possibly a bit of a cheap shot, but I think the general narrative is pretty compelling. This is your modern Lord-of-the-Manor fantasy and it really wouldn't be changed much by a warehouse full of tasteful mid-century stuff.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gal...?img=1&ref=fpa

How likely is someone to like this repulsive house and tasteful mid-century furniture at the same time?

gomestar · Jun 18, 2009

damn that house is ugly.

Piobaire · Jun 18, 2009

Possibly a bit of a cheap shot, but I think the general narrative is pretty compelling. This is your modern Lord-of-the-Manor fantasy and it really wouldn't be changed much by a warehouse full of tasteful mid-century stuff.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gal...?img=1&ref=fpa

I would only find it a cheap shot if I found your dichotomy based on quality vs. quantity to not be fallacious, or at the very least, applicable to me. I find it neither, therefore this link only supports my assertion that you bring much baggage to this and seem to have personal issues.

Now, I'm not sure if it was a cheap shot, but for a complete and totaly foot stomping, you can read this thread: http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=124335

Cheers.

pejsek · Jun 18, 2009

How likely is someone to like this repulsive house and tasteful mid-century furniture at the same time?

Not very. But how likely is it that someone contemplating such an addled suburban fantasy might have any taste to begin with? Oh, sure, it could be better, but this is where a lot of the obsession with size and the display of wealth leads. It's a pity there's no exercise room. Perhaps a corner of the Loft could be appropriated. Interesting how the furniture is so spare; massive, yes, but generally just a couple of things per room.

TheFoo · Jun 18, 2009

Not very. But how likely is it that someone contemplating such an addled suburban fantasy might have any taste to begin with? Oh, sure, it could be better, but this is where a lot of the obsession with size and the display of wealth leads. It's a pity there's no exercise room. Perhaps a corner of the Loft could be appropriated. Interesting how the furniture is so spare; massive, yes, but generally just a couple of things per room.

This house does not represent the only way to live in the suburbs, even if it is alarmingly common these days. Urban dwellers are not the only ones with taste. If I had the money to afford such a monstrosity, I'd it on a larger, wooded land in a more secluded area, and build a smaller, more tasteful house. But I'd still be in the suburbs.

Piobaire · Jun 18, 2009

Not very. But how likely is it that someone contemplating such an addled suburban fantasy might have any taste to begin with? Oh, sure, it could be better, but this is where a lot of the obsession with size and the display of wealth leads. It's a pity there's no exercise room. Perhaps a corner of the Loft could be appropriated. Interesting how the furniture is so spare; massive, yes, but generally just a couple of things per room.

Sorry, I forgot to identify these fallacious assumptions too.

I'm looking forward to my yurt.

This house does not represent the only way to live in the suburbs, even if it is alarmingly common these days. Urban dwellers are not the only ones with taste. If I had the money to afford such a monstrosity, I'd it on a larger, wooded land in a more secluded area, and build a smaller, more tasteful house. But I'd still be in the suburbs.

Foof, you are attempting to present reasonably framed things to a man that does not want to reason. Leave him alone, in his pyschosis.

pejsek · Jun 18, 2009

I would only find it a cheap shot if I found your dichotomy based on quality vs. quantity to not be fallacious, or at the very least, applicable to me. I find it neither, therefore this link only supports my assertion that you bring much baggage to this and seem to have personal issues.

Now, I'm not sure if it was a cheap shot, but for a complete and totaly foot stomping, you can read this thread: http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=124335

Cheers.

Baggage. Yawn. And if that's your idea of vindication....

Anyway, as I said earlier, this is (sadly) where the suburban manse too often leads. Wouldn't it be totally great if we had a wine cellar that looked like every crappy cheap tasting room you've ever been in? btw, feel free to show me some kick-ass examples of tasteful 5000sf suburban houses.

Piobaire · Jun 18, 2009

Baggage. Yawn. And if that's your idea of vindication....

Anyway, as I said earlier, this is (sadly) where the suburban manse too often leads. Wouldn't it be totally great if we had a wine cellar that looked like every crappy cheap tasting room you've ever been in? btw, feel free to show me some kick-ass examples of tasteful 5000sf suburban houses.

Some members here, have posted tasteful houses approaching that size. And why would I post you examples of anything? Unlike you, I have nothing to prove.

Cheers.

P.S. I see your fixation now, more clearly. I notice you didn't ask for any house of 5k sq feet, but rather a suburban house. Me thinks we've spotted a big city snob.

pejsek · Jun 18, 2009

This house does not represent the only way to live in the suburbs, even if it is alarmingly common these days. Urban dwellers are not the only ones with taste. If I had the money to afford such a monstrosity, I'd it on a larger, wooded land in a more secluded area, and build a smaller, more tasteful house. But I'd still be in the suburbs.

I agree. I've seen plenty of beautiful suburban houses. And I wouldn't be truthful if I didn't admit that city living doesn't sometimes lead to a longing for a more pastoral existence. I'm really not dogmatic. I'm certainly not arguing that urban dwellers are even likely to have better taste.

It does, however, seem to me that so much new suburban building is based on these silly It's-A-Small-World fantasies (Roman villa with bonus Pirates-of-the-Caribbean den). And size often really is the enemy. Once you reach a certain point you do sort of abandon the human scale--the ability to experience and appreciate (which was what I was trying to get at with the notion of basic human needs).

pejsek · Jun 18, 2009

Some members here, have posted tasteful houses approaching that size. And why would I post you examples of anything? Unlike you, I have nothing to prove.

Cheers.

P.S. I see your fixation now, more clearly. I notice you didn't ask for any house of 5k sq feet, but rather a suburban house. Me thinks we've spotted a big city snob.

Yes, you certainly don't owe me anything. Good to see you find the bolding function such a useful tool.

Piobaire · Jun 18, 2009

Yes, you certainly don't owe me anything. Good to see you find the bolding function such a useful tool.

Me too.

Please explain your problems with this dwelling: http://www.styleforum.net/showpost.p...&postcount=304

Also looking foward to stylistic critiques of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallingwater with an explanation on how its size moves beyond the human scale, and does not allow one to "experience" and "appreciate."

pejsek · Jun 18, 2009

Me too.

Please explain your problems with this dwelling: http://www.styleforum.net/showpost.p...&postcount=304

I like the way it fits into the landscape. It's a bit bigger and more stark than I personally would prefer, but it seems comfortable and a fitting expression of its owner's tastes. I hope they are happy there.

Missed the exercise room, though.

Piobaire · Jun 18, 2009

I like the way it fits into the landscape. It's a bit bigger and more stark than I personally would prefer, but it seems comfortable and a fitting expression of its owner's tastes. I hope they are happy there.

Missed the exercise room, though.

My, but you do fixate.

How do you know it's not there, and he simply did not have a photo of it taken?

pejsek · Jun 18, 2009

Okay, now I see you've appended the Fallingwater house. I honestly don't see your point, except that you seem to have decided I'm simply some 'big city snob' who is obligated to turn his nose up at everything that is not his. This is just plain silly.

The two houses you reference here make good use of rural settings.

Piobaire · Jun 18, 2009

Okay, now I see you've appended the Fallingwater house. I honestly don't see your point, except that you seem to have decided I'm simply some 'big city snob' who is obligated to turn his nose up at everything that is not his. This is just plain silly.

The two houses you reference here make good use of rural settings.

Your first dozen posts or so, certainly made pugnaciously clear, what seemed a complete rejection of anything a) bigger than your domicile and b) not in a major metro area. How did you start your initial position off? Oh yes, "What new type of hell is this?" I believe. I tried several times to suggest perhaps that was too extreme a characterization, but only in the last few posts, have you in any way moderated your assertions. In fact, just today, you started off with that disaster of a house as your QED summation.

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