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Crate vs. Farinelli: The Official Jeans Thread

Get Smart

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"I can't speak for everyone else, but I am fairly solid and my waist does not "compress." If I pull a tape measure around my waist as tight as I can, it reads 30". Pants with a waistband shorter than this (the length of the tape measure) will not fit."

^^ ok you stick with whatever size you want to wear but I guarantee for 99% of guys if they followed your advice they'd feel the jeans were way too big. For a wool trouser you'd be more correct, but with denim your example isnt accurate. It'd be like taking a piece of elastic that is 31" around and putting it around a cylinder that is 32-33" around. It would fit and over time that elastic would give in its tensile strength and become looser to accomodate the wider circumference.
 

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Originally Posted by grundletaint
that's what i've gathered. i'm 32 in nudie and spurr (31 in prewashed ****) and mauro says 32 is what i need for this. he hasn't been wrong on any sizing advice for me yet.

I'd agree with Mauro, I am a 30 in Nudie and the 30 CvsF fit me the best. For guys who wear Nudie I'd say go with that size (or adjust accordingly if you think the nudies fit loose/tight)
 

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Originally Posted by aqhong
I can't speak for everyone else, but I am fairly solid and my waist does not "compress." If I pull a tape measure around my waist as tight as I can, it reads 30". Pants with a waistband shorter than this (the length of the tape measure) will not fit.

Unless your body is made of steel, which would be pretty cool, it compresses. (The pedant in me points out that under sufficient pressure, everything will compress, but whatever.)

Presumably there's a difference in what the tape measure shows when you pull as tight as you can vs. sitting around your waist without any extra pressure, right?
 

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Originally Posted by Get Smart
For a wool trouser you'd be more correct, but with denim your example isnt accurate. It'd be like taking a piece of elastic that is 31" around and putting it around a cylinder that is 32-33" around. It would fit and over time that elastic would give in its tensile strength and become looser to accomodate the wider circumference.
Okay, I wasn't talking about pre-stretch measurements. When I said a 31" waistband fits me, I meant that that's what fits me now, not what will fit me after after "giving into tensile strength and becoming looser." If you're taking into account stretch, then yes, a 30" waistband (or even less in extreme examples like APC) may very well fit me in the end, but when they do, they inevitably measure at least 31". That's what I meant.
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Presumably there's a difference in what the tape measure shows when you pull as tight as you can vs. sitting around your waist without any extra pressure, right?
Yes. The 30" is with the tape measure pulled tight. Are you saying the waistbands of my pants should be tighter than that?
 

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^^ but no one can predict what jeans will measure "in the end" so there's no point in getting into that, all that matters is what they measure new since that's what people are buying...new jeans
 

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Originally Posted by aqhong
he 30" is with the tape measure pulled tight. Are you saying the waistbands of my pants should be tighter than that?

I'd say that, after stretching, they should be about the size of the tape measure when pulled somewhat tight.

But, um, that's what I was saying? It wasn't clear to me that you were talking about a pulled-tight measurement.
 

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at the end of the day, it'll be interesting contest-wise for fits and fading with everyone sort of taking their own approach to sizing
 

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Originally Posted by Get Smart
^^ but no one can predict what jeans will measure "in the end" so there's no point in getting into that, all that matters is what they measure new since that's what people are buying...new jeans
Right. And new jeans that measure 29" will not fit a 30" waist out of the box. So what you are advocating is sizing down and counting on the jeans to "stretch to fit" rather than buying what fits from the start (because it would stretch to become too loose), correct? Not saying there's anything inherently wrong with that, and in some cases it's even necessary (again, APC), but not all denim stretches the same amount, so it'd be foolish to size the CVSF as you would APCs, which I believe was the entire point.
 

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Originally Posted by aqhong
Right. And new jeans that measure 29" will not fit a 30" waist out of the box.
this is getting marsupialed, but YES a jean that measures 29" out of the box WILL fit a person who has a 30" waist because denim will stretch right out of the box on day 1, upon the 1st second it is worn, which is why guys can size down much smaller than possible and still button them up right out of the box. You sound like you have some experience with jeans yet your insistence on what can/can't fit is like someone talking who has never worn a pair of jeans and is just mathematically assessing fit. I guess I must be living in the twilight zone because I (and EVERYONE i know, not 99.9% but 100%) buy jeans that are smaller than what measures at where the jean waistband sits, in my case i always buy 31" when measured new out of the box (have even gone as low as 30 ) and my actual spot where the jean waist sits is about 33" around. When you account for the denim stretching upon donning, and any compression your body gives, the difference can be quite a few inches from jean actual size to body actual size. What the ****, this is like "Wearing Jeans 101" and I'm not even sure why this has become any kind of debate. Am i ******* nuts or is this guy aqhong busting my ******* balls??!!
 

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The thing is some pairs of denim are actually that size (i.e. most japanese pairs)...
I was a 32.75 waist and a pair of 32 in flathead fit me but were so painful, i had to sell them
 

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Originally Posted by Get Smart
I guess I must be living in the twilight zone because I (and EVERYONE i know, not 99.9% but 100%) buy jeans that are smaller than what measures at where the jean waistband sits, in my case i always buy 31" when measured new out of the box (have even gone as low as 30 ) and my actual spot where the jean waist sits is about 33" around
Funny. I feel like this too, except I guess I'm living in an opposite twilight zone from yours where everything is reversed. I agree that this is getting marsupialed, so I think we should just agree to disagree and call it a day
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Originally Posted by aqhong
Funny. I feel like this too, except I guess I'm living in an opposite twilight zone from yours where everything is reversed. I agree that this is getting marsupialed, so I think we should just agree to disagree and call it a day
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It was marsupialed 2 pages ago. but thanks, we now have someone to blame when 45 people start new threads about waist size.
 

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get smart is right, but there are some exceptions, ie: rag & bone jeans do not stretch in the waist (they have a lined waist) and some japanese brands stretch very little
 

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