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^your point? 2 failed starters=what exactly?
oh yeah, eck was way better than mariano.
Riveria is great. He may go in as the greatest especially playing in this era, but how many 1+ innings saves does he have??
Eck invented the 1 inning save dude. And Smoltz went into the pen because of his elbow, not to help the team. Starters are more valuable and harder to find than closers. Still, he's a HOFer.
Ws do matter and they define a pitcher. Say for example a pitcher has a 1.03 ERA but is only 10-9 on the season with 10 no-decisions. He will be considered a good pitcher but not a money or great pitcher. The quality of the team is normally a reflection of the perception of the pitcher.
I never thought of him when I thought "who are the truly great pitchers in MLB now".
This says more about you than about him.
Yes, well, you said you'd rank Schilling over Tom f-ing Glavine. I think it's safe to say you're not exactly unbiased.
(Schilling): may lose points for being an epic **** though.