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odoreater · Jul 6, 2008

Originally Posted by Eason

I think Forrest's face is proof that he didn't take those rounds.

Come on man, you can't be serious when you say that. The guy has a ton of scar tissue on his face and it opens up in every single fight. You can't honestly say that you're going to judge the fight by what his face looked like. The way I saw it, Forest pushed the action, he had better aggression, better "octagon control" and won this fight no question. I didn't really see Rampage do much other than throw some leather now and then. Sure he had a few punches land clean, but Forest was a lot more active and aggressive.

Eason · Jul 6, 2008

Basically I don't think you could say anybody won that fight the way they scored it, I want round 6 until somebody gets der ass whupped.

Matt · Jul 6, 2008

Originally Posted by Eason

I want round 6 until somebody gets der ass whupped.

Said Jackson: "He really hurt my leg. ... He just whupped ******."...so there you go

Eason · Jul 6, 2008

I was there when he said that but I'm calling LIES

Matt · Jul 6, 2008

can anyone point me at a website where I can watch the fight (before the UFC's lawyers get hold of it)?

capnpyro · Jul 6, 2008

I agree, I like both fighters quite a lot, but I scored it every round for rampage except 2 which I gave 10-8 Forrest. My thinking is you can't give a split a decision to a challenger on a title shot. And that was by my eyes in no way a unanimous.

capnpyro · Jul 6, 2008

Originally Posted by m@T

can anyone point me at a website where I can watch the fight (before the UFC's lawyers get hold of it)?

mma-tv.net, you may have to donate to sign up but you'll be able to watch live/get downloads of any future fights.

Eason · Jul 6, 2008

TVU player FTW

Mauro · Jul 6, 2008

I am watching the fights tonight and will give my expert opinion then.

HORNS · Jul 6, 2008

Even Rampage said that he got his ass kicked in that fight. Griffin isn't able to inflict the damage to Rampage, but the fight was Griffin's.

Odd Morsel · Jul 6, 2008

I don't see a big debate here. As odoreater said, if you go by the old standbys like octagon control and who showed more aggression, Forrest had my boy Rampage beat. Jackson still had me laughing in the post-fight, though. Supposedly Chuck is up next, but I wouldn't be too jazzed for a Rampage-Chuck III should Liddell pull out a W.

Brian SD · Jul 7, 2008

Dude, please no. Machida for the title fight. Rampage vs. Jardine. I'm sick of rematches.

To quote Jackson: You have to beat the champ to be the champ. At this event, that really didn't happen. I think Jackson should still be holding the belt.

My opinion on this fight is this: 2 out of 3 judges gave round 1 to Griffin. That alone is bullshit. In terms of UFC rules, I do think Griffin had this fight. He outdid Jackson in control and aggression. Still, though. I don't think he deserves the belt.

shimmyt · Jul 7, 2008

It all basically comes down to I truly believe if this fight went to a decision that Dana was going to give it to Forrest. Rampage had his chances to finish off Forrest and wouldn't / couldn't do it. So that's on him. To the judges though check this out from mmamania.com:

Quoteworthy:

Adalaide Byrd who scored it 48-46, gave 4 and 5 to Jackson and Griffin 1, 2 and 3 with 2 as 10-8

Nelson Hamilton had it 48-46 with 1 and 4 for Jackson, and Griffin getting 2 10-8

Roy Silbert had it 49-46 with only round 4 for Jackson.

The scoring of the light heavyweight championship bout at UFC 86 has come under some fire "” mostly everyone besides the judges felt the bout was much closer than the numbers indicated. Not taking anything away from Forrest Griffin "” who shocked the world last night with his upset of Quinton "Rampage" Jackson "” but it didn't seem like he won the bout in such convincing fashion. In fact, according to Dave Meltzer, those in press row were split between a close Griffin win and a draw. Regardless, Griffin earned the improbable win ... even though he was visibly not so sure himself of the victor when Bruce Buffer was reading the results.

Now next match wise I said this in the bar and I'm going to say it here, Dana got a woody thinking about Forrest v Chuck (which it really should be Lyoto Machida but I can't see him getting his title fight before Chuck) in December, and Rampage v Wanderlei in January or something. Now you throw in Lyoto for either of those two fights and I could soft of see that happening too.

odoreater · Jul 7, 2008

Originally Posted by Brian SD

Dude, please no. Machida for the title fight. Rampage vs. Jardine. I'm sick of rematches.

As much as he is being hyped, I don't think Machida deserves a title shot yet. He hasn't beaten any of the top guys in his division yet. I think he needs one more fight before he gets a title shot and he needs to beat either Liddell, Silva, Rashad, or Rampage in that fight.

Matt · Jul 7, 2008

Well FWIW, Compustrike came to the same conclusion as the UFC judges....

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