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Zuckerberg's Hoodie and what your clothing says about what you think of those around you

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by unbelragazzo, May 9, 2012.

  1. Bradford

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    People in sales, or people who came out of a certain (older) culture, sure. People from the engineering or design side? No.

    There's a small and growing group who likes to dress better, but it's by no means mainstream. There's a fine line that we're able to walk where people look at us funny. Jeans and a sportcoat is usually OK, but a suit if you're under 60 and not in sales or legal will get you funny looks.

    The younger CEOs wear mostly jeans and t shirts, with the notable exception of Reed Hastings, who's always been a suit guy. Some of the older guys wear suits regularly, though what I see 99% of the time is some variation of button down and khakis, or sportcoat over t shirt and jeans. Oh, and there's always the mock turtleneck crowd (Jobs, Ellison, etc.)
     
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    Funny how is other partner Eduardo Saverin always wear a suit.
     
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    Funny, but I thought we were discussing CEOS, not engineers. I am in sales, so obviously at's the side I see every day, including frequently meeting with CEOs and other senior execs of software startups. The statement I was responding to was that suits are unheard of in SV culture, and that's just plain wrong.

    I think the Esquire blogger's analysis is dead on.
     
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    I dnt think MZ is trying to showcase anything. This is probably how he dresses for work and henwas at work. The only potrayal imo is the hoodie which I think plays an important role in facebooks culture.

    Even if he is trying to signal anything, i think it works perfectly for him. The IPO is selling the MZ story and facebook's role in todays world. This with strong corporate goverance (the strength of which is debatable by many) is what investors want. This is what will see a rise in its IPO debut. As time passes by with conference calls, earnings estimates, outlook statements etc this would have to evolve into a corporate conservative type personality in order to maintain its financing capabilities. However, at present this is what i think is perfect for facebooks PR.


    On a related topic, As many have posted on alt routes that couldve have been taken for fb's ipo, i dnt think its MZs call anymore. If I was an investor, I would leave MZ at the helm after the IPO contingent on the fact that he conforms to certain investor expectations. If not I would lobby for ousting him. i know ppl will put up the voting structure of fb as a wall, however once ur public there are unlimited amount of forces that could strangle you.
     
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    At least it doesn't look as bad as the blazer-hoodie combo.
     
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    Stock is at 34 today.

    Maybe he should have worn a suit.
     
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    At least he wore suit to his wedding.
     
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    Obviously his wedding was more important than the IPO.
     
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    OR his bride forced him to wear one.
     
  13. Birks and Grey Socks

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    Stock dipped below $31. While I would love to be one to jump on the anti-hoodie bandwagon, I don't think the hoodie is the cause of the stock price's underperformance (although it sure doesn't help).

    Social networking as a business model is bound to fail. The average user does not want their data mined by F500 companies, and they don't want to pay for their use of the 'free internet'. Comparisons to google aside, most people can learn to exist without FB. Anyone remember myspace...

    Bottom line, when you are asking people to invest their money and their confidence in your company, show them you can run a business by at least showing some professionalism. No one would hire a financial consultant or real estate agent if they met in while wearing a rumpled sweatshirt or hoodie
     
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    FB has no long-term growth and revenue potential. All their money comes from advertising. They're toying with the idea of charging people to show up at the top of news feeds, and maybe some businesses will pay, but Twitter is still free.

    I say good for them, though. They became millionaires off a site that boils down to people posting pictures of their ugly babies or people drunk chatting and trying to hook up with girls they haven't seen since high school.
     
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    Analytics. It's not just advertizing, though they can give advertisers a lot of unique feedback and engage target audiences in new ways. But they're working on ways to figure out and predict trends in just about everything. How much money is it worth to a movie studio if a company can tell them exactly what plot and setting is going to bring in the best response from very targeted demographics? Now what if you can even tell them what soundtrack is going to make them more likely to buy the item you're focusing product placement around?

    On the other end of that, what if you could buy information telling you exactly what demographics are using the product you make? For example, take the thinkpad. Very popular among the predictable set: businesspeople, institutional clients and whatnot. Lenovo, doing traditional market research, sees that the typical client is a business buying computers for their office setting, keeping them 2-3 years.

    But say you have a website that attracts a huge portion of the global population, and you can log the exact model of computer that visits, the OS they're using, what browser... All of a sudden, you have a near perfect picture of what the product you've put out there is doing. You can see every 6 year old thinkpad (like one of mine) beating around out there, see exactly who's using it in terms of lifestyle, income, values, interests, and you can see what software the user has running, you can see if they've upgraded the OS, you may even be able to see if any of the system internals have been replaced with a friendly bit of spyware or two.

    They're gathering far more information on you than just what colors you like and what your hobbies are. They're gathering a lot of data that isn't particularly interesting to you, nor particularly sensitive, but that companies may very well pay out the nose for. They're still working on gearing that side of the business up, and that's why people are betting on them.
     
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    An excellent point. Jobs brought Apple to the top of the computing industry _twice_ and created probably a half dozen iconic tech products along the way. He's earned his stripes.

    Zuckerburg owns one service that virtually no one likes, cheated his partners out of their share to ensure his own wealth, and has done nothing worthwhile since he created it.
     
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    So I guess Facebook's 800 million users are grudgingly using it every day?
     
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    The problem with Facebook is it is still in the shitty display advertising business like AOL and Yahoo.
     
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    That would be an overstatement. Most of his founding team members are all mega millionaires despite a huge fallout in 2008 after Sheryl Sandberg took over the operations.
     
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    Harsh.
     
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