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Zuckerberg's Hoodie and what your clothing says about what you think of those around you

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by unbelragazzo, May 9, 2012.

  1. SergioFM

    SergioFM Active Member

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    I stand corrected.

    So he didn't dress up for the VCs? They don't care. They want in on the FB moneytrain no matter what MZ wears.
     


  2. Equus Leather

    Equus Leather Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    This - there is one Facebook but many bankers and he's making sure they know their place.
     


  3. Quadcammer

    Quadcammer Senior member

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    100% on all of it
     


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    cptjeff Senior member

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    I ran into one of those recently, wearing a ratty old sweater and a shirt with jeans on a day off. She commented on how dressed up I was. I was a bit out of it, so my response was basically just 'huh?' rather than anything witty, but I get the comment all the time.
     


  5. Quadcammer

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    bull. He could have chosen the Google route with a direct auction, but he didn't, because he realized there is value from the underwriting process. As such, maybe show some respect to people who spend a lot of time trying to accurately price and market the shares. Flout it all you want, but once the shares hit the secondary market, you see no extra capital from the appreciation that will likely occur.

    He can hate bankers, but right now, they need each other. Put on a sportcoat.

    I still remember a story about 4 years ago where zuckerberg cancelled a meeting with microsoft because he wanted to sleep later. Hopefully sandberg can hold the ship together to complete the roadshow.
     


  6. PhiPsi32

    PhiPsi32 Senior member

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    I'm having trouble seeing this as a power play. Maybe it's his version of Steve Jobs' black tutrtleneck and jeans. I dunno.
     


  7. cptjeff

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    I suspect that's what it is. Just his brand as a young, hip guy, signalling facebook is a young hip company. It's brand control, if he dressed in a suit too much people would start to perceive them as the corporate behemoth dead set on perfecting algorithms to learn everything about and control your life they really are. As he gets older and the style starts to look awkward on him, he'll probably change it to something a little more adult, but still casual.

    I don't think this is a power play, just calculated management of his (and facebook's) image, with some cultural confusion between west coast tech and east coast banking.
     


  8. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    This. It's hard to project power when you don't feel comfortable. I work with startups too. No one gives a fuck, as long as your junk is not hanging out.
     


  9. TimelesStyle

    TimelesStyle Senior member

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    I still disagree. Not that one needs to be as formal as a banker in these situations, but one's appearance should be enough of a departure from everyday to signify the importance of this event to them. While FB is a huge IPO for reasons both monetary and symbolic, the bankers will pitch hundreds of these in their careers, Zuckerburg maybe one or two. I also know plenty of bankers and know that their attire when seeing clients (suit, tie, conservative shirt, polished lace-up shoes) is different from their client-free days (when it's slacks, checkered button-ups and loafers).

    MZ can live without any given banker, but he can't live without all of them and it would have been wise to step it up just enough so that people knew he understood just how important this was for his company.
     


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    In most software companies the CEO is the chief pitchman, whether it is pitching to VCs / investors or pitching to prospects and customers. In terms of the success of the company, the fact that they have a better widget is completely secondary to the marketing of that widget.

    That said, I think your main point is dead on.
     


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    Bradford Current Events Moderator

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    I agree, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
     


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    It's one of the things I look for in an employer - I don't want a CEO who is down in the trenches banging out the technology, I want a combination of visionary and pitchman.
     


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    I personally don't care what he wears but, given the importance of the meetings, why risk anything. Dress in a way that is professional, shows respect, and doesn't open too many doors for negative first impressions. While suit & tie might be a bit too much for his personality, nice jeans, dress shoes, and a button up will go a long way. Just my 2 cents...
     


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    WTF are people comparing Zuck with Jobs? Jobs defined and created industries but Zuck is just one of those social junk that did not fail (and almost did in 2008).

    Besides, Steve Jobs used to appear well dressed in suits before he got kicked out of Apple.
     


  15. TimelesStyle

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    I've already mentioned why I find the Jobs comparison ludicrous but to expand on it, MZ is nothing like Jobs in any way; while both men are (were) quite arrogant their arrogance came from very different places. With Zuckerburg it's "well I'm Mark Zuckerburg, I can do whatever I want because I'm Mark Zuckerburg, I invented Facebook". Unlike most great entrepreneurs he knows nothing of failure nor spending years dealing with all of the naysayers who thought he'd never make it. Jobs, on the other hand, never gave me the impression that he walked around saying "Fuck you, I'm Steve Jobs," rather he'd say "Fuck you, I know what I'm doing, I know it's better than what you suggested and if you don't like it there's the door." I love the fact that he used to answer customer service emails and had no qualms about getting into it with unhappy customers if he thought they were wrong, he never had an "I'm way too cool for this bullshit" attitude. His was much more of an earned arrogance and he learned from years of failure; Apple did not initially take off, he was actually pushed out of the company at one point only to have people realize that he actually did know what he was doing and was a visionary who could keep producing and keep creating new demand from consumers and increased value for the shareholders. Let me put it to you this way: Jobs' passing made me more pessimistic about Apple's future (not that I'm pessimistic, just more guarded) while Zuckerburg's departure wouldn't really impact the quality of the company in my opinion.
     


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