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Zuckerberg's Hoodie and what your clothing says about what you think of those around you

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by unbelragazzo, May 9, 2012.

  1. Bradford

    Bradford Senior member

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    I agree, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
     
  2. imatlas

    imatlas Senior member

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    It's one of the things I look for in an employer - I don't want a CEO who is down in the trenches banging out the technology, I want a combination of visionary and pitchman.
     
  3. fashionsnob

    fashionsnob Well-Known Member

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    I personally don't care what he wears but, given the importance of the meetings, why risk anything. Dress in a way that is professional, shows respect, and doesn't open too many doors for negative first impressions. While suit & tie might be a bit too much for his personality, nice jeans, dress shoes, and a button up will go a long way. Just my 2 cents...
     
  4. chogall

    chogall Senior member

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    WTF are people comparing Zuck with Jobs? Jobs defined and created industries but Zuck is just one of those social junk that did not fail (and almost did in 2008).

    Besides, Steve Jobs used to appear well dressed in suits before he got kicked out of Apple.
     
  5. TimelesStyle

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    I've already mentioned why I find the Jobs comparison ludicrous but to expand on it, MZ is nothing like Jobs in any way; while both men are (were) quite arrogant their arrogance came from very different places. With Zuckerburg it's "well I'm Mark Zuckerburg, I can do whatever I want because I'm Mark Zuckerburg, I invented Facebook". Unlike most great entrepreneurs he knows nothing of failure nor spending years dealing with all of the naysayers who thought he'd never make it. Jobs, on the other hand, never gave me the impression that he walked around saying "Fuck you, I'm Steve Jobs," rather he'd say "Fuck you, I know what I'm doing, I know it's better than what you suggested and if you don't like it there's the door." I love the fact that he used to answer customer service emails and had no qualms about getting into it with unhappy customers if he thought they were wrong, he never had an "I'm way too cool for this bullshit" attitude. His was much more of an earned arrogance and he learned from years of failure; Apple did not initially take off, he was actually pushed out of the company at one point only to have people realize that he actually did know what he was doing and was a visionary who could keep producing and keep creating new demand from consumers and increased value for the shareholders. Let me put it to you this way: Jobs' passing made me more pessimistic about Apple's future (not that I'm pessimistic, just more guarded) while Zuckerburg's departure wouldn't really impact the quality of the company in my opinion.
     
  6. F. Corbera

    F. Corbera Senior member

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    One other important difference is that Zuckerberg is alive and Jobs is dead.
     
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    I may be in credit card debt, but I dress better than Mark Zuckerberg.


    :slayer:
     
  8. TimelesStyle

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    One also had a beard, what's your point?
     
  9. Nicola

    Nicola Senior member

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    The 99% is always going to whining. Why worry?
     
  10. F. Corbera

    F. Corbera Senior member

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    1% seems awfully pleb.
     
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    michael pachter is so awesom
     
  12. aperson

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    I really think you guys are over analyzing this. Nobody who actually deals with SV expects anybody to wear a suit outside of a wedding, funeral, or court appearance. CEOs who do are as out of place as somebody wearing morning dress to a christmas party in NYC. It's not anything intentional, it's not any show of power, it's not disrespectful. When you have a bunch of young people who have never experienced anything else, this is just how you dress.
     
  13. LooknGr8

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    Oh, we're talking about it because we like talking about clothes. It's our neurosis. :)

    However, the rest of the world is talking about it, still analyzing and polling (this just 20-odd minutes ago):

    http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...street-its-shaping-up-as-hoodies-vs-the-suits

    A majority of msnbc.com readers apparently agree with the sentiment. A Market Day poll survey Thursday asked whether Zuckerberg should have spruced his threads for Facebook's investor 'roadshow'. More than 73 percent of readers clicked "No, his casual dress reflects the culture of Facebook," while 26 percent voted "Yes, he should wear business attire to an investor meeting."

    Billions of dollars are in play. It's kind of cool that clothes and perceptions thereof are part of the discussion and ultimately could play into the success/failure/valuation of this IPO. As opposed to our usual discussion about details in blazers or whatever that only a small minority of people will notice and even fewer will care about. Clothes, in this case, matter to more than us obsessive-compulsives at SF.
     
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    More than 73 percent of readers clicked "No, his casual dress reflects the culture of Facebook

    That's because the 73% represent cheap labor/low-wage earners whose pocketbooks have taught them that 'clothing doesn't matter'; their 'sense of style' being dictated by whatever and however much clothing they can procure with a twenty and some fives. The kind who believe they are 'unique' because they buy their clothes at Target - everyone else being a sheep to fashion and/or having a low sense of self due to their caring about their appearance. MZ and his stupid hoodie enables and enforces this belief. I just hope word gets out that the hoodie was an 'expensive' one. :)
     
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    This reminds me of a story on Jay-Z and his record company Roc-A-Fella Records I saw on tv years ago. When they were first entering the corporate world they would show up to business meetings in du-rags, over-sized shirts, and baggy jeans, they similarly seemed to have an "F-U attitude". Over the years as they got older and matured they dressed less Brooklyn and more Wall Street.

    As for Zuckerberg I think he'll eventually upgrade his appearance as he spends more time with the sharks and less time at the beach.
     
  16. imatlas

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    This is just plain wrong, even if it is a common misconception. Once you get out of the start-up world, suits are pretty commonplace in Silicon Valley, and they're not even that unusual around start-ups. SV salespeople mostly wear suits, even if they don't generally wear ties. The CEOs of my last two employers in SV (one an early stage start-up, the other a multi-billion dollar publicly traded giant) ALWAYS wear suits to meet with investors or analysts, and to speaking engagements. My current employer is somewhat famous for his pairing of business suits with gaudy sneakers. Whenever one of our people is appearing on stage, anywhere, he is in a suit, even if he is just the guy in the background running the slide deck. I always wear a suit to customer meetings.
     
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  17. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Well having started this thread I feel like I should comment in it. Much of the discussion seems to focus around what MZ's intentions were in wearing the hoodie. I'm willing to allow for the possibility that he didn't consider it a big deal or didn't have anything else, although I view this as unlikely. But what I think is more important is that many other people find it to be a big deal. This indicates to me that the idea of clothing as a language and as a symbol of the respect you have for yourself, the occasion, and those around you, is alive and well. MZ definitely said something to these people, whether he realized it or not (a moment's reflection will reveal that such misunderstandings are common in spoken language as well). Despite all the talk of the suit's decline in business dress, it continues to be effective in conveying seriousness, and its absence calls into question the intentions of its non-wearer.
     
  18. chogall

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    executive hoodie?
     
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