Zegna shirt with odd collar

[j]

I just picked up a Zegna shirt at the thrift and it has a very unusual collar, which I assume is meant to be worn unbuttoned and without a tie. It doesn't have the usual collar stand - instead it has a second layer of fabric that goes down below the second button. I remember Alex showing a blue linen shirt with a similar design at one point. Has anyone seen these before? It does have collar stay slots, but I don't know how well it would work trying to wear it like a normal dress shirt without a tie. Is it meant to lay flat like a Hollywood (or whatever, I don't know if I just made that up) collar?

Please excuse my really ugly ironing board cover.

 

[xarope]

Hmm, I have a couple of these collar (if that's what it is to be called) construct zegna's too, one a darkish brown shirt with a nice sheen to it, and another a linen white with blue striped shirt.

The former I could believe is for casual wear, and I've never worn it any other way, but the latter is definitely designed to be a business shirt.

I was thinking more along the lines of the fabric requiring some reinforcement so that when ironed the fabric doesn't overtly show the underlying material seams, maybe (wild guessing here)?!?

 

[Tomasso]

I have several shirts with this collar. I think that it's the best collar to wear outside of a jacket, as it lays neater and doesn't show the stand/leaf seams. When worn inside the jacket, the collar will affect a roll, which I find attractive. I've found that the stays are only needed for wear inside the jacket as they give structure to the collar. Not really a shirt meant to accommodate a tie.

 

[mack11211]

I think it's called a camp collar.

Paul Stuart casual shirts in the Cooper model all have it.

Alex' version was distinguished by having no button at the neck.

 

[rabbimark]

I have one in blue linen, Barney's house label. I've never in my life worn a shirt outside the jacket, no matter what Sean Connery wears. I, too, believe it to be called a camp collar. I've never worn mine with a tie, but with a bit of starch the collar can stand up a little better than yours seems to be doing in the picture. I wouldn't wear it with a tie, though. and what happened to the cat with the headphone rocking out in your avatar? I loved that. edit: sorry, it was RLPL, not Barneys. I could have sworn I had a light blue Barney's linen shirt with this same type of collar. Must have ditched it in the move from NYC. Sleeves were too short anyway.

 

[johnapril]

That's a one-piece camp collar. A tie won't stay on it. You leave it spread open without a tie. Nice shirt.

 

[Holdfast]

I have some Loro Piana shirts with a similar collar (they call them Andre shirts I believe). It does indeed work best when left undone. As Tomasso says, they roll very nicely under a jacket or will simply lie flat and elegant if you don't have a jacket on.

I personally wouldn't wear it outside a jacket (bit too 70s a look for me), but I suppose there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[chobochobo]

Originally Posted by rabbimark

and what happened to the cat with the headphone rocking out in your avatar? I loved that.
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I loved Tampopo

 

[Matt]

Dont know much But I know I like it if it was a suit, id complement the lapel roll. No idea what that is called in a shirt though.

 

[A Y]

I've heard lots of different names for it: Italian, sport, and my shirtmaker calls it a "Zegna" collar!

--Andre

 

[chobochobo]

come to think of it. I had this white textured short sleeve shirt with that sort of collar. I didn't like it and gave it away....

 

[Alexander Kabbaz]

If you just lay if flat on your ironing board (yes, I agree - really ugly cover) and press out the crease it has now between the "band" part and the leaf, it should end up with a beautiful natural roll from the tip of the leaf to the front of the shirt. It appears to be constructed similarly to mine with a substantial interlining. That's what makes the whole thing work. The ones by Lauren are made with interlining that's too light so they just kind of frumple up.

As a matter of fact, these look great with what I know to be one of your personal favorites ... an Ascot!

Nice shirt!

 

[Matt]

i think I might get the sweaty VNese guy to make me a casual shirt like this...

 

[johnapril]

Originally Posted by Alexander Kabbaz

If you just lay if flat on your ironing board (yes, I agree - really ugly cover) and press out the crease it has now between the "band" part and the leaf, it should end up with a beautiful natural roll from the tip of the leaf to the front of the shirt. It appears to be constructed similarly to mine with a substantial interlining. That's what makes the whole thing work. The ones by Lauren are made with interlining that's too light so they just kind of frumple up.

As a matter of fact, these look great with what I know to be one of your personal favorites ... an Ascot!

Nice shirt!

Where the **** have you been, Alex? Good to hear from you.