Zegna (napoli???) find at Barney's!

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  1. Urban Warrior

    Urban Warrior Senior member

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    Stopped by the last day of the warehouse sale today just for the goof... Not much left though, a ton of people, check out line was over an hour (ugh). Some great deals to be had though... Picked up a couple of Zegna ties marked down to $17... Men's pants had no additional markdowns... Shoes went to 40% a ton of Barney's house label shoes but not much after that. I passed on a $100 pair of Todd's driving shoes an am kicking myself but all well... I did pick up this nice Mohair Zegna suit which I am pretty sure but not positive is part of the Napoli line? Anyone know much about this line? Different label and a nice little book about the suits construction. Here was the great part though... On sale for $899 with another 20% when I tried it on I noticed it had already been fully tailored, pants cuffed, working button wholes etc... The sleeves are about a 1/4 inch too long for my liking but it was something I could live with and wear with only one of "us" here noticing LOL... I figured what the hell let me see if they will give me a touch more off because of it... The lady at customer service said all she could do was give me the extra 10% a lot of the Boss, House stuff was getting and to ask fer when I made it through the check out line... Sure enough when I got to the front she was no where to be found, when I explained it to the guy working the line, he asked "well why would we do such a thing anyway?" When I explained he was super nice walked me over to the register and told the lady to give me a 40% discount for the hell of it... Total was $538 and change... Any idea if this is the Napoli line? [​IMG] On a side not I kind of felt bad for some people that were just pulling stuff out in there size and just buying it... There were a bunch of tailored Canali's with cut wholes and most of the Zegna stuff too... I tried on a blue mil 15 mil that honestly the sleeve didn't even come mid forearm and all but a 1/4 of fabric had been cut out... All sales were final too, ouch...
     
  2. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Senior member

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    That's just a regular Zegna sartorial suit, not the Couture or former Napoli Couture line. Still, the high performance fabrics tend to be pretty expensive, so you got yourself a nice deal. You could probably get the sleeves shortened by 1/4" and it wouldn't be a big deal. I'd rather have my sleeve length perfect and have the buttons be 1/4" closer to the end of the sleeve, as opposed to having the button placement perfect but the sleeves too long. The suit probably wasn't a stupendous deal at $899 with the 20% off, but your bargained down price was very, very good.
     
  3. TYKOSHIRO

    TYKOSHIRO Active Member

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    Huh. My Napoli Couture items have labels that look like this: [​IMG] Jon.
     
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    drizzt3117 Senior member

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    I thought Zegna just changed the name/tags/description of the Napoli Couture this year?
     
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    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    It is a Zegna Napoli suit, which is like regular line with some nice additional detailing. No relation to Napoli Couture or Couture. They are very nice suits, sounds like a good deal.
     
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    The different lines of Zegna are getting confusing. [​IMG] But, congratulations on a great deal.
     
  8. Urban Warrior

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    Thanks to all who have replied... I agree that Zegna's various lines/levels/names has become confusing... However it has now sparked my curiousity...
    Anyone know how the Napoli and the Napoli Couture differ?
    According to the information that came with the suit it has the following features???:
    1) Closer fit, higher armholes, and a narrower shoulder
    2) The "Guippe" (cotton and horsehair) is used on the inside uppper portion of the jacket
    3)wool and goat hair are used throughout the jacket as reinforcing fabric
    4)Double-twisted goat hair is used to attach the sleeve to the jacket
    5) waistband is cut higher with reinforcement on the waist in horse hair (this was very obvious from the moment I tried it on)
    6)Under collar is in wool and reinforced with Irish Linen
    7) Linnings are in Bemberg
    8) V-waistband
    9) both silk and cotton used on all button holes
    10) Horn buttons

    How many of the above features are unique to the Napoli model and don't show up in the "regular line" (not Z or soft)
    I think we all have come to the conclusion that the Z line replaced the Soft line and would rank at the bottom of the barrel.
    Than we would have the regular Zegna line (all types of fabric including 15mil)
    Than perhaps the Napoli line that I purchased today? Is there a chance that this is a much older line and perhaps phased out and replaced with the XXX line? I have seen lot's of XXX but never this.
    Top of the food chain would be there XXX line? Or is something above this?
    Finally I guess you would put Su Misura in a totally seperate category because in can be purchased or constructed in various configurations, in just about any fabric, including features from any of there lines? I actually own a much older Su Misura Zegna Soft.... OUCH, LOL... but in all honesty it was made years before finding this forum, the fit and cut is one of my best and the fabric was one of there better ones out of the regular fabric swatch book, canvased too... Thinking back I think my salesman (long since retired, and I sure miss him) kind of took care of me on it... It was my 1st MTM, there was a $250 off promotion and the soft line was in my price range as I was a 19 year old student at the time. The Zegna rep couldn't understand why I wanted it "soft" me not knowing much of anything said I liked the cut better and enjoyed softer fabric clothing LOL... My salesman explained I was a good friend and also wanted to keep the price right... Well it's cut like a soft say's Su Misura inside and soft on the inside collar lol and it's not fused...who knows...
    Hopefully someone a bit more informed can shed some light on the various Zegna lines...
    Thanks again
     
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    The top line of Zegna now is Zegna Couture, with the suit factory in Italy and shirt factory in Switzerland.

    Up till last year, the top line is called Napoli Couture, with both suiting and shirting factories in Italy.

    For Napoli Couture or Couture, the Su Misura tag/label is 'hidden' inside the right chest pocket, with client's name and date of order. Regular Zegna would have the Su Misura label on the lining.

    For regular Zegna, the different fabrics used do not denote 'lines' as we refer it (High Performance, etc.), as they are all manufactured pretty much the same way. For Napoli Couture and now Couture label, the fabrics used are totally different and do not classified into High Performance, etc. --- meaning, you will not find a High Performance Napoli Couture suit. The only exception of 15 milmil 15.

    Hope I got my information right.
     
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    My Napoli Couture suits / sports coats are made in Switzerland, not Italy.

    Jon.
     
  11. Urban Warrior

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    This ones made in Italy, but I have regular Zegna from both Italy and Switzerland too...
     

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