I contacted Chippewa about some of the boots on zappos, because they wernt listed on Chippewa's site, and they told me those are exclusive models. I've tried on the Iron Works version thats exclusive to LL Bean and they felt great, so I have high hopes for these. possible alternative to black becman? This ones similar to the RW 8196 if it ever came in black (or a real vibram branded sole) A rich brown version Then theres a brown moc toe that Im not particularly fond of. All are around 190.00 USD shipped which I think is a steal. Im semi new here, but I don't think these have ever been discussed. Also , if you have any of these, please post your pictures and / or review.