Thats what I was talking about earlier in the thread. The forefoot of the Ranger Mocc last is narrow , especially compared to the back of the foot. They will do E sizes in moccasins on special order. I know because I ordered one Maybe the last is more narrow on the smaller sizes? On my 12's I've got plenty of room in the forefront, where as on my Quoddy/RL ones that's usually where it's more tight for me. Also, can you share how you ordered them?