There was a thread here a little while back about independent stores. Some independents, like Wilkes Bashford in San Francisco, are exemplary. On the other hand, some are atrocious. I'd like to ask you guys for examples of the latter, sort of a warning carved outside the threshold. My personal pick is: Zillioni's on Wilshire: terribly aggressive and arrogant salesmen. The salesman insisted that I was a 38, saying "Look, I am a 40, and see, I am, you see, bigger. You are a 38, not a 40." I obliged him by trying on a 38 jacket, which was, predictably, too small. He backpedalled: "Well, you are a 40 in Canali cut. The cut is smaller, you know." I guess I didn't. As I was leaving, he saw me eyeing a suit, and said: "Yes, this just came in, and is sold out already. The last one. Your size. I'll give you a deal." And then quoted a price higher than for any other suit in the place. The type of place that inflates the retail price so that their deals sound better. I'm glad they're apparently going out of business. Although that may be a ploy too. Another place I wouldn't go unless I wanted to be gouged for old stock merchandise is Riccardo's in the Horton Plaza in San Diego. He has the usual second tier, "contemporary urban" sportswear by Zanetti, Versace Classic, etc.. But what distinguishes this shop is not the poor tastes of its buyer, but the apparent disregard for its clientele. I went in looking for mainline Iceberg, and the owner looked me up and down and told me: "I only have the cartoons. Iceberg: everyone wants it, but no one wants to pay the price." Thanks. I'd rather shop at J.C. Penney. Anyways, I'd like to see what others think.