I agree. Heck, I remember Usenet and even that wasn't this bad. While the veterans are certainly responsible for some of this, some of the newbies are worse. I come for the advice; I stay for the snark. I suspect many of the newbies that decide to hop in tend to think the same way. This may explain a gradual increase in snark levels over time. Going back to a previous reply to my WAYWRN Rookie Challenge suggestion. I don't think it would need to be run once a week; I'm not sure if SF attracts enough newbies willing to put themselves out there week in, week out. Perhaps once a month? Or maybe once a quarter? They say that competition improves the breed. WAYWRN has a nice mix of competition and education. I know that I've learned some stuff from watching WAYWRN challenges, and I doubt I would have learned as much if the participants were not playing to win.