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Would you help to dress me for my new office job?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by collegeguy88, Aug 13, 2012.

  1. collegeguy88

    collegeguy88 Well-Known Member

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    I have no doubt that there are all kinds of these posts, and I'm very aware of the Styleforum 101 posts which are quite fantastic, but there's nothing quite as good as collective advice! So your thoughts would be very much appreciated. Here's the scoop: I just started working in an office environment with suits sans jackets and other accessories. I bought a bunch of stuff but would really like to step up my game (and at least have all the essentials covered).

    This album has all my shirts and ties: http://imgur.com/a/HyhVy#0. My pants are okay for now: three slim fit wool dress pants (one navy, one charcoal, and one brown). I also have a nice black dress belt and Allen Edmond oxfords. I'll buy some brown ones when the money is there. I'm happy with the shirts but would LOVE to hear some advice on what to get next. Most importantly, I feel very inadequate in the ties department. The picture with the four ties basically shows my standard rotation of ties. The picture with many ties includes the rest of my ties in my collection which I don't wear as confidently. Are any of those stylish ties? With which matching shirts? Exactly which ties should I buy?
     
  2. msulinski

    msulinski Senior member

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    Can you explain what you mean by "suits sans jacket?" isn't that just a pair if dress pants and a button-up shirt? You probably don't want to wear your suit pants without the jacket, especially if they have pin stripes. It will look like you lost or forgot your suit jacket. Solids might be fine, though be warned: navy odd pants aren't that great either. Just don't try wearing them with an odd jacket.

    To your question about ties: you really shouldn't be wearing them without a jacket. Are you required to wear a tie? If not, then that problem is solved. If so, then can you get away with wearing a jacket either in the form of a suit or an odd jacket paired with pants?
     
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    sturm07 Well-Known Member

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    I would say get a nice slim tie if you are going to go business casual without the sport coat. That is if you are required to wear a tie. If not, don't.
     
  4. msulinski

    msulinski Senior member

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    It isn't going to help. Tie thickness is a function of lapel width (which is a function of shoulder width and style, to a point). Since the lapel width is 0, the tie width should be 0.
     
  5. HughJ

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    I immediately had the same concern as msulinski. If the pants mentioned are from a suit, you are wearing them out and getting them cleaned at a greater rate than the rest of the suit. I think medium to lighter grey wool pants would be a logical next step.

    As for the ties, other than the navy stripe, some of your better looking ties are the ones not in your rotation IMHO. Looking at the collection, what jumps out at me is the lack of texture. You like your ties a little more on the plain side evidently....can't go wrong with some solid knits then.
     
  6. RyanH

    RyanH New Member

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    I think that you should just dress in whatever you think youll look the best in. If you look good, you feel good, and if you feel good you perform good!
     
  7. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    ^if only you could write good...
     
  8. collegeguy88

    collegeguy88 Well-Known Member

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    Wow. Thanks for all the great advice so far! Unfortunately, the office attire is dress pants, button up, and tie. I bought some standalone wool dress pants so that I'm not ruining my suits. I'll certainly try to get that policy changed.

    In the meantime, could anyone help me with my specific tie problem? I'm really looking for specific thoughts on my current ties as well as specific colors and patterns that could look good with my clothes now.
     
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    My suggestion, if you are worried about the ties, run to a local thrift store and pick up some decent quality ties. Get a wide variety of basic ties and see what they go with when you get home. Around here, $2 is the going rate for almost any tie. If you buy some that don;'t match anything, you're not out that much and you can find something down the road that they go with.
     
  10. msulinski

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    If you are just starting a new job, that may not be the best move.

    Given that you are required to wear a tie, do you think you could also wear a sportcoat without an issue? Does anyone else in the office wear jackets or suits?
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Are you allowed to wear knit ties? If you're forced to wear a tie but no jacket, this can mitigate the problem I guess.
     
  12. msulinski

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    Maybe a bowtie would work?
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I'd say no to bowties. Regardless of your personal position on them, it's hard to deny they elicit strong opinions from others. At a new job, this is not your goal with your clothes.
     
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    Don't do knits or bowties. You'll look really out of place. Don't try to get the office dress code to be adjusted so it's more formal. You'll look like an asshole.
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Knits are much less conspicuous that bowties. I think they'd be ok given your description but feel it out for a cpl of wks.
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    ^did you read any of the posts in this thread?
     
  17. collegeguy88

    collegeguy88 Well-Known Member

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    Okay, we have all agreed that I will not wear bowties nor will I try to change the policy of ties sans jackets too soon but maybe someday in the future after establishing credibility. Anyone have thoughts on a specific tie that will definitely look good? For instance, a navy blue knit tie has been proposed. What else? Thanks!

    Also, jackets/sportcoats are out of the question from what I can tell. Maybe in the winter or with client meetings.
     
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    The problem with your dress code is that it is disharmonious. Any outfit without a tailored jacket is casual, but a tie is more formal. I would never wear a tie without a jacket. But I agree with others that you should not try to get the dress code changed to require odd jackets to be worn.

    Within the parameters of your dress code, the advantage of the silk knit tie is that it is a casual tie. Therefore, it helps attenuate the tension in the dress code and shows a certain amount of insouciance. But you need to work out whether that is the right message to send (although I doubt how many people in the 'real world' really notice or care about these things).

    If you think a silk knit is a bit too much, but like plain ties, then try to find some with some texture. Avoid a shiny satin. You could try repp, wool (in the winter) or grenadine. For some examples of the styles, check out www.samhober.com.

    EDIT: Oh, and with colours, it is hard to go wrong with navy (as has been suggested) and dark red / wine. I personally like bottle green but not all would agree.
     
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  19. duggyald

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    Why don't you keep a few essentials, wools, silk ties..solid ones or with subtle patterns work well.
     

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