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Worst experiences

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by esquire., Apr 28, 2005.

  1. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

    Apr 20, 2002
    In Hiding
    Christian: I don't think anyone attacked Whitcomb & Shaftesbury for being third world or anything.  If fact, W&S claims their stuff is made in the UK.  We (okay, I) did question whether they can offer what they claim to offer (a fully bespoke suit, handmade in the UK with Huddersfield cloth) at the price they claim ($1,250; dollars, not Sterling).  I just seriously have my doubts.  Some backstreet, totally unknown tailors charge that or less, but those guys are working for themselves with no mark-up and negligible overhead, hence a totally different business model than W&S.  And many of them cut some significant corners when it comes to pattern cutting and handwork.

    What also struck me as odd about W&S is that their shirt prices seem about right for what they claim to offer.  But those suit prices are either a misprint or a deception or market "dumping" or a miracle.
  2. christian

    christian Senior member

    Sep 22, 2004

    That's a fair point, although I don't understand why they can't do it. After all, some vendors here claim their products are the best MTM shoes on the market at a fraction of their competitors or that their seven fold ties are equal in quality to seven fold ties from other companies even though their price is half of others.

    I don't remember who, but somebody chimed in that the owners behind Whitcomb & Shaftesbury were Indian. To me, the underlying innuendo was that because they were Indian, they couldn't come up with a comparable suit as somebody with lighter skin.
  3. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

    Dec 10, 2004
    In the not too distant future
    Yes, Hindoos can't do anything well.  That must have been what I meant when I made fun of Whitcomb and Shaftesbury.  It must have to do with their dusky complexion.  And the cloth always smells like curry.  And are those betel nut stains?

    Christian, in all fairness I had trousers made at Kachins, one of the best tailors in India, and while they're nice, particularly at the price, they're nowhere near Savile Row in quality.  Mind you, this is just my opinion w/r/t these trousers, on which at least one reverse pleat is just a tad dodgy and the butt snugger than the trousers I had copied...

    I can't say I have a thing against Indians, either.  I mean, as a teenager I had run-ins with my parents, but you know, we grow, right?

    This is not to say that Indians cannot make good tailors -- I think the tailors were quite good. Maybe I should have gone back for a fitting, though my schedule was tight.

    Given that there's a kaleidoscope of people making suits for Savile Row, from some Greek tailors working for Darren and for Mahon on Kingly Street (yes, see Englishcut), to the Hungarian Stanbury brothers who re-invigorated Kilgour years ago, to Trinidadian Andrew Ramroop at Maurice Sedwell, to Asians, whites, and in all likelihood people of many, many other origins, one cannot be racist about British tailoring. Nationalist? It would no doubt be idiotic to argue that a gifted tailor of Asian descent -- as I imagine there are -- becomes a shear-wielding maniac once he returns to India.

    I think others have made the other points I'd make in a clear and thoughtful fashion so I'll stop now.

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