Sorry, I dropped off the conversatior a bit. We spent yesterday having our service upgraded to fiber optic. Much faster now. A couple comments: re: Americans playing in Europe vs the MLS. I know I am very hard on the MLS, and will admit that it all stems from my disgust at the way Landon Donovan is treated like a saint over here. But our players having experience in Europe is far and away better than them staying in the MLS. Someone cited our MLS players in the US's success in 2002. You have ignored the obvious Euro-based players. Sorry, but Reyna, Freidel, O'Brien, and others were more important, imo. My second comment: man these US commentators suck. They are just horrible. Tommy Smith and that other brit are good, and Cello Balboa isn't bad either, but the other Americans are just crap. Sometimes it's like they're not even watching. This guy talking during the Arg v. IC game (the ex-goalkeeper as he keeps calling himself) is just horrible. re: England. Not great but not horrible either you have to admit. Their goal was due to Beckham. Even without that tiny touch from the defender, that ball was going in. And there was an English player right in line to head it anyway. But England need to produce more chances. Of coures, with the T&T v Sweden draw they are in a good position. Assume they beat T&T and that's 6 pts. Edit: I forgot this: Man, Gerrard couldn't hit the broad side of a barn today. MP, how's the referring so far in your mind? bob Sorry to crash in but I have to say the Mexican referee in the England game was appalling.In England we criticise the refs in the Premiership but when a World Cup comes round you realise how bad they are in other countries. The crazy thing is in the English press on Saturday morning they warned us how bad this guy was and so it turned out to be.So if the world's press can see it why can't FIFA?