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  1. Hanseat

    Hanseat Senior member

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    If the US choses to get big into soccer they'll be a noticeable force in forthcoming tournaments. Until soccer is played by someone else than little girls I don't really see that happening too soon.
     


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    If the US choses to get big into soccer they'll be a noticeable force in forthcoming tournaments. Until soccer is played by someone else than little girls I don't really see that happening too soon.


    And I hate to say it, but the MLS is holding us back. It lets our players stay at home in a comfort zone and play against weaker opponents. The average level of the game just isn't there for it to be relied upon as a feeder for our national team. I think Arena has purposefully chosen as many MLS players as he has simply as a political statement--he likes the MLS and wants to support it.

    Look at someone like Bobby Convey who goes to England and plays in the Championship (2nd league) and really blossoms. Back home in the MLS would we have seen that? Now he's heading up to the EPL with Reading.

    And why Berhalter is left off (now on due to injury) while Chris Albright is chosen is beyond me. Berhalter captained Energie Cottbus to promotion to the Bundesliga (sp?). He's coming off a marvelous season.

    And Marcus Hanneman for crying out loud. I know the third-string 'keeper is never going to play but he deserves it way more than Meola. Sure Meola is playing well in the MLS, but again, Hanneman helped his team be promoted ot the Premier League. He probably deserves to be #2 behind Kasey.

    I really want to see Eddie Johnson and Gooch have great Cups. Rumor is Gooch will sign with 'Boro in the EPL very soon, but I see they just signed Huth (both defenders). I have no idea what that means. And EJ seems eager to move abroad. Good on him.

    bob
     


  3. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Senior member

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    And I hate to say it, but the MLS is holding us back. It lets our players stay at home in a comfort zone and play against weaker opponents. The average level of the game just isn't there for it to be relied upon as a feeder for our national team. I think Arena has purposefully chosen as many MLS players as he has simply as a political statement--he likes the MLS and wants to support it.
    bob


    i think you're overrating the european leagues and players. almost the entire jamaican national team plays in england. it's been this way for years, and for years jamaica has had a lousy team.

    just because you play in europe doesn't mean you're good.
     


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    i think you're overrating the european leagues and players. almost the entire jamaican national team plays in england. it's been this way for years, and for years jamaica has had a lousy team.

    just because you play in europe doesn't mean you're good.


    That's true. All of the most dynamic players on the US team in the last WC played for US clubs, notably beazley. Beazley was decent in US leagues but, when healthy, dominated his foreign counterparts on the wing.

    Even Sanneh, perhaps our most important player in 2002, played some of his career in the US. His assist to McBride was a direct result of the chemistry they developed in the soccer hotbed of . . . Milwaukee.

    The other advantage that US based players have is that their season is just beginning, while Eurpoe has just finished it. We should be much more rested and ready to rumble.
     


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    i think you're overrating the european leagues and players. almost the entire jamaican national team plays in england. it's been this way for years, and for years jamaica has had a lousy team.

    just because you play in europe doesn't mean you're good.


    The Jamaican players we have in England are playing in the 3rd and 4th tiers of a league system which might be equal to(maybe slightly worse,maybe slightly better)of the MLS.
     


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    If the US choses to get big into soccer they'll be a noticeable force in forthcoming tournaments. Until soccer is played by someone else than little girls I don't really see that happening too soon.

    Hey! Those little girls are good! [​IMG]

    Jon.
     


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    Hey! Those little girls are good! [​IMG]

    Jon.



    Our little girls certainly don't handle the ball as sloppily as the Germans did today. For their sake, I hope it was just opening game jitters.

    And Bravo! to the Ticos who put up a valiant fight.
     


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    3 points in the bag,but a piss poor performance.Having said that the World Cup isnt won on the 2nd day.
    I am talking about England by the way.
     


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    3 points in the bag,but a piss poor performance.Having said that the World Cup isnt won on the 2nd day.
    I am talking about England by the way.


    Indeed.

    Jon.
     


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    props to trinidad. it was a fun game to watch.
     


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    props to trinidad. it was a fun game to watch.

    Somebody explain to me why Trinidad was playing with only 10 players. I thought you were allowed to used subs?
     


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    When a player "fouls out" he is removed from the match and you play a man down. The fouls that get you removed are called cards. Yellow is a caution. Red is ejection. 2 yellow cards = 1 red 1 red card = expulsion You can receive a red card directly for dirty play. Leonardo once delivered a vicious elbow to the head of America's Tab Ramos in the 94 world cup and was expelled on the spot. The other way you can play a man down is through injury. At the world cup, you are allowed 3 substitutions. If you have a player injured and you have already used all your subs - you play with a man down. It is possible to lose even more players, but you rarely see a team lose more than two men in a match.
     


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    Sorry, I dropped off the conversatior a bit. We spent yesterday having our service upgraded to fiber optic. Much faster now. A couple comments: re: Americans playing in Europe vs the MLS. I know I am very hard on the MLS, and will admit that it all stems from my disgust at the way Landon Donovan is treated like a saint over here. But our players having experience in Europe is far and away better than them staying in the MLS. Someone cited our MLS players in the US's success in 2002. You have ignored the obvious Euro-based players. Sorry, but Reyna, Freidel, O'Brien, and others were more important, imo. My second comment: man these US commentators suck. They are just horrible. Tommy Smith and that other brit are good, and Cello Balboa isn't bad either, but the other Americans are just crap. Sometimes it's like they're not even watching. This guy talking during the Arg v. IC game (the ex-goalkeeper as he keeps calling himself) is just horrible. re: England. Not great but not horrible either you have to admit. Their goal was due to Beckham. Even without that tiny touch from the defender, that ball was going in. And there was an English player right in line to head it anyway. But England need to produce more chances. Of coures, with the T&T v Sweden draw they are in a good position. Assume they beat T&T and that's 6 pts. Edit: I forgot this: Man, Gerrard couldn't hit the broad side of a barn today. MP, how's the referring so far in your mind? [​IMG] bob
     


  14. matadorpoeta

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    MP, how's the referring so far in your mind? [​IMG]


    bob


    pretty good from what i've seen, but i missed the england game. ecuador had a clear penaly vs poland that the ref clearly saw but chose not to give them.

    there was handball in the penalty area that should have given argentina a penalty kick in the first half against IC, but the ref and linesman both missed it.

    so far the refereeing has been average, but the good thing is that they're making mistakes for both sides.

    as far as the announcing goes, it's just as bad on the spanish station. it's not that they don't know what they're talking about, it's that they talk too much. it's annoying. there used to be an englishman on espn who rarely spoke. he was the best.
     


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    Somebody explain to me why Trinidad was playing with only 10 players. I thought you were allowed to used subs?

    Absolutely no offence meant whatsoever,but I didnt realise people existed who did not know the basic rules of football.
    Hope you enjoyed the game though.
     


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