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Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by matadorpoeta, May 15, 2006.

  1. odoreater

    odoreater Senior member

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    Now that I'm settled:

    What a crap way to end a World Cup (in PKs). But alas, the entire tournament has been riddled with shoddy refs and dives aplenty. Definitely a new low for the cups that I've been able to watch. The groups were more exciting than the elimination play.

    As for the match: I hope something terrible happens to Materazzi. Zidane is probably going to be the greatest player I see in my time, and it's upsetting that he can't get respect during his last match on the pitch. I don't think what he did was right, but it's easy to cast judgement sitting behind a computer screen. Nobody likes being touched and mocked by a bunch of sissies, and at least Zidane floored him in the coolest way possible. [​IMG]


    Yeah, I can see how Zidane can get so frustrated at not being able to score a goal that he has to physically assault the only guy in the game that scored a real goal - who happened to be on the other team. And I agree with you about casting judgment from behind a computer screen - I mean you couldn't tell from watching it on television whether Zidane was not himself physically assaulted or in danger of being assaulted by Materazzi before he went and headbutted him in the chest. [​IMG]

    That shot by Zidane was so....French.
     
  2. Manny Calavera

    Manny Calavera Senior member

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    Yeah, I can see how Zidane can get so frustrated at not being able to score a goal that he has to physically assault the only guy in the game that scored a real goal - who happened to be on the other team. And I agree with you about casting judgment from behind a computer screen - I mean you couldn't tell from watching it on television whether Zidane was not himself physically assaulted or in danger of being assaulted by Materazzi before he went and headbutted him in the chest. [​IMG]

    That shot by Zidane was so....French.


    An assault by a Frenchman is deemed "French"? Whoa, I never knew they were such warriors.

    That's like saying the Italian play (greasy, slimy and grossly flamboyant) was so Italian. Oh wait...
     
  3. shoreman1782

    shoreman1782 Senior member

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    I appreciate the opportunity the world cup affords to make good natured ethnic jokes.
     
  4. AdamG

    AdamG Senior member

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    Zidane...I feel empty inside. How could he do that?

    He is still my favourite player of all time, I almost cried when I saw him do that. [​IMG]
     
  5. montecristo#4

    montecristo#4 Senior member

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    I wonder if the headbutt had any force behind it. It's tough to tell in slow motion and we all know what great actors the Italians are. Not that it excuses Zidane, but I'm curious.

    It also pisses me off that they showed the replay on the big screen in the stadium. That is verboten and may have influenced the red card if the ref or lineman saw it.
     
  6. esquire.

    esquire. Senior member

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    Yea you're right. I'm trying to find some way to justify it. I can't believe Zizou would do that. What could he have done or said?

    Why do we need some way to justify it, where we try to blame the Italian player for somehow provoking it, and not simply let Zidane bear responsibilty for his own actions?

    In the 98 World Cup, he got a red card and was suspended for two games for stomping on a Saudi Arabian player. And, five years ago, Zidane also received a red card for butting another player in a Championship League match. Did those other two players also somehow provoke Zidane as wel?
     
  7. odoreater

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    It also pisses me off that they showed the replay on the big screen in the stadium. That is verboten and may have influenced the red card if the ref or lineman saw it.

    As a lawyer I want to say that showing it on the big screen was kind of like inadmissible evidence and that it shouldn't have been shown and if shown the ref shouldn't have allowed it to influence his decision.

    However, as a person, the fact of the matter is that Zidane did, in fact, do it and there was absolutely no excuse for it and I'm glad he got red carded for it. It's a shame that the last and lasting memory of Zidane in world cup play will be his ejection for an act that basically made him look like a big asshole.
     
  8. montecristo#4

    montecristo#4 Senior member

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    As a lawyer I want to say that showing it on the big screen was kind of like inadmissible evidence and that it shouldn't have been shown and if shown the ref shouldn't have allowed it to influence his decision.

    However, as a person, the fact of the matter is that Zidane did, in fact, do it and there was absolutely no excuse for it and I'm glad he got red carded for it. It's a shame that the last and lasting memory of Zidane in world cup play will be his ejection for an act that basically made him look like a big asshole.


    I guess I agree with this...regretfully. As I posted before--he is an idiot. Same way Rooney is an idiot. Of course, Rooney is like 21 years old.
     
  9. Manny Calavera

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    I guess I agree with this...regretfully. As I posted before--he is an idiot. Same way Rooney is an idiot. Of course, Rooney is like 21 years old.

    Rooney still has time to peak way to early and fade into oblivion. Zidane is one of the greats. Rooney is just a really good player...right now.

    What Zidane has done far outweighs the way things went in his final.
     
  10. Homme

    Homme Senior member

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    Even if they hadn't shown it on the big screen, he still would have been sent off - any attack like that will get you a red card. I'll echo what others have said ... not the best way to end a stellar career.
     
  11. rdawson808

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    This is from foxsportsworld.com (http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/5760742)

    "FOXSports.com's Jamie Trecker reports that French players told French media members that Materazzi used a racial slur which prompted the headbutt."

    Doesn't make the head-butt right, but it is an explanation.

    Has anyone read the French media's reports or comments?

    bob
     
  12. rdawson808

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    And here's an interesting report from the NYTimes:

    "Marcello Lippi, the Italian coach, said that officials off the field watched a television replay before a decision was rendered. Unlike the National Football League, soccer does not use replay to adjudicate disputed plays. Observers believed this was the first time a video review had been used."

    Video replay? There's no video replay in football. I thought the ref just talked with his assistant on the line. But they used a video replay?

    bob
     
  13. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Senior member

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    congratulations to the italians. they wanted it more.

    the penalty for france was a bad call, but the italians commited a real penalty later in the game and the ref didn't call it, so things evened out.

    when i saw the headbutt, i immediately assumed materazzi had said something racist or nationalistic to him. zidane's parents are algerian.

    p.s. what do we have to do to eliminate penalty shoot-outs? anyone want to start a petition?
     
  14. tangerine

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    I am a latecomer to football, so forgive my ignorance, but is baiting and trash-talking really unknown to players with Zidane's experience?

    I was gobsmacked when I saw the head-butt. I am thinking that he was in severe pain from his earlier shoulder injury and was basically not in his right mind. That to me is a better explanation than him getting riled up over a stupid racial slur which was undoubtedly delivered for the express purpose of pushing his button and getting him thrown out of the game.

    A sad ending to his career, to be sure.

    It was pretty wild in North Beach this afternoon... [​IMG]
     
  15. tiger02

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    I wonder if the headbutt had any force behind it. It's tough to tell in slow motion and we all know what great actors the Italians are. Not that it excuses Zidane, but I'm curious.
    Arabic TV replayed it at full speed. Zidane wound up from two yards out and put his whole body weight into the shot. Whether or not that was able to produce any force...well...nah, too easy [​IMG]
     
  16. benecios

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    This is from foxsportsworld.com (http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/5760742)

    "FOXSports.com's Jamie Trecker reports that French players told French media members that Materazzi used a racial slur which prompted the headbutt."

    Doesn't make the head-butt right, but it is an explanation.

    Has anyone read the French media's reports or comments?

    bob


    Two points,the first point is,as I said earlier,that the Italians do have a history of racist remarks on the field.The second point is perhaps rather cynical but you know when an incident of this magnitude happens,a racist comment is a good justification.Whether it happened or not.
     
  17. benecios

    benecios Senior member

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    Zidane has won the Golden Ball! Surprising to me for a couple of reasons.One being that I think Cannavaro has been the best and Zidane has not really shone in 60% of the games.Secondly C.Ronaldo was the best young player by a mile but didnt win because he was "marked down" for his diving,therefore I didnt think they would give it to Zidane after last nights incident.
    But fair play to FIFA,I do agree personally that if they believe he was the best player they should give it to him regardless of the headbutt.Which is what they have done.
     
  18. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    Not the golden ball, just best player of the WC. Cannavaro didn't play well last night, which accounts for part of the result I believe.

    !luc
     
  19. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    And here's an interesting report from the NYTimes:
    Video replay? There's no video replay in football. I thought the ref just talked with his assistant on the line. But they used a video replay?

    bob

    Yes, this is very surprising. Why not use that video replay when vieira scored against korea too??? The officiating or refeering has been consistantly bad for the whole world cup, and this final wasn't any better, especially on the headers. There are rules though, you can't use the video.

    !luc
     
  20. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    p.s. what do we have to do to eliminate penalty shoot-outs? anyone want to start a petition?
    At least for the final, the game should go on by 15 minutes halves until someone scores. They even do it for tennis.

    !luc
     

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