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Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by matadorpoeta, May 15, 2006.

  1. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    i am not entirely happy that france and italy made it to the final, but it is certainly true that some degree of luck has to bear on a team to get them through the cup. france were not all that impressive today, but they got past spain and brazil in fairly convincing fashion. on the other hand, italy were gifted a berth past australia on a penalty call. i honestly thought australia were going to win. i think many of the "contenders" for this cup failed to show or were quickly eliminated due to the way the brackets worked out. that said, i think italy will take the final.
    I don't understand your point. Both France and Italy were simply the best teams of this world cup. Germany didn't show much and was quite lucky to get past the argentinians, France got rid of Brazil (2002 world champion) and Spain (one of the first round's best team along with argentina), Italy was clearly superior to germany (which had quite a weak team, really). I honestly wonder which team played better than these two??
    I two would have liked to see brazil against argentina in final, but they were just not up to it tactically.

    !luc
     
  2. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    Why? I think I must be missing something.As I said in my earlier post in most games he has been anonymous.
    Zidane played one of his greatest game against Brazil, and he was decisive against Spain.
    We can't judge France or Zidane for that matter on the last game against Portugal, afterall the portugese did eliminate England, the Netherlands, and won against mexico during the first round, so it was not exactly a big surprise to find them at this level of the competition. (they made it to euro 2004 final too)
    A few other contenders imho are ballack, pirlo, zambrotta, vieira and maniche.

    !luc
     
  3. imageWIS

    imageWIS Senior member

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    Zidane played one of his greatest game against Brazil, and he was decisive against Spain.
    We can't judge France or Zidane for that matter on the last game against Portugal, afterall the portugese did eliminate England, the Netherlands, and won against mexico during the first round, so it was not exactly a big surprise to find them at this level of the competition. (they made it to euro 2004 final too)
    A few other contenders imho are ballack, pirlo, zambrotta, vieira and maniche.

    !luc


    Klose. He is the only player on any team to score 5 goals...

    Jon.
     
  4. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    I actually think Domenech looks real good. Very smart looking. Way better than, say, Scolari, in his track pants and polo.
    Yes, Domenech looks very elegant, though he could probably put a little more variety in his outfit. Looks like Emporio Armani to me.
    He's 54 years old and goes out with a nicely handsome 30 years old french journalist (estelle denis).

    Luc, that picture is hilarious.

    bob

    Thanks, all the credits to Mr Slim for digging it out [​IMG]

    !luc
     
  5. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    Klose. He is the only player on any team to score 5 goals...

    Jon.

    yes, but only one goal against a world-class team [​IMG]

    !luc
     
  6. imageWIS

    imageWIS Senior member

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    yes, but only one goal against a world-class team [​IMG]

    !luc


    That's true...

    Jon.
     
  7. Manny Calavera

    Manny Calavera Senior member

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    You obviously haven't been watching the games carefully but parroting what you read on the this thread instead.

    You definitely could have chosen someone less savvy to pick a fight with, bud. [​IMG]

    The only game in which Italy has impressed me was against Ukraine. They've tied against a worthless US side and barely scratched out a win against a German team whose offense was nonexistant for the entirety of the match. And the theatrics are simply disgusting. When you have the tralala American commentators ("He's great! They're great! I'm great! Tralala!") discussing how pathetic Italy's knack for the dive is, you know it's pretty bad. If the consolation game were Portugal vs. Italy I wouldn't watch out of disrespect. However, I'd like to see Germany beat Portugal so I'll be waving my banner high.
     
  8. tiger02

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    You definitely could have chosen someone less savvy to pick a fight with, bud. [​IMG]

    The only game in which Italy has impressed me was against Ukraine. They've tied against a worthless US side and barely scratched out a win against a German team whose offense was nonexistant for the entirety of the match. And the theatrics are simply disgusting. When you have the tralala American commentators ("He's great! They're great! I'm great! Tralala!") discussing how pathetic Italy's knack for the dive is, you know it's pretty bad. If the consolation game were Portugal vs. Italy I wouldn't watch out of disrespect. However, I'd like to see Germany beat Portugal so I'll be waving my banner high.

    That said, I've been surprised by Italy's ability to adapt to the last couple of rounds that have been more permissive of contact. Portugal was not able to stop their diving ways, and suffered because of it.
     
  9. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    Portugal training ground:

    [​IMG]
     
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    ^LOL

    Am I the only one who think Henry embellished that goal box tackle? He got hit on the leg, felt it, realized where he was, and THEN went down like a pile of bricks.

    Had he not went down that maybe would have been called, but probably not.
     
  11. Luc-Emmanuel

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    ^LOL

    Am I the only one who think Henry embellished that goal box tackle? He got hit on the leg, felt it, realized where he was, and THEN went down like a pile of bricks.

    Had he not went down that maybe would have been called, but probably not.

    No. He's getting ready to kick (clear sight to the goal), the portugese defender holds his leg to make him fumble and prevent him from shooting, it's a clear penalty.

    !luc
     
  12. montecristo#4

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    No. He's getting ready to kick (clear sight to the goal), the portugese defender holds his leg to make him fumble and prevent him from shooting, it's a clear penalty.

    !luc


    I think you've got a dog in the hunt here. [​IMG]
     
  13. romafan

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    You definitely could have chosen someone less savvy to pick a fight with, bud. [​IMG]

    The only game in which Italy has impressed me was against Ukraine. They've tied against a worthless US side and barely scratched out a win against a German team whose offense was nonexistant for the entirety of the match. And the theatrics are simply disgusting. When you have the tralala American commentators ("He's great! They're great! I'm great! Tralala!") discussing how pathetic Italy's knack for the dive is, you know it's pretty bad. If the consolation game were Portugal vs. Italy I wouldn't watch out of disrespect. However, I'd like to see Germany beat Portugal so I'll be waving my banner high.


    What games have you been watching? Did you see the Ghana or Czech games? Both the U.S. and Australia both played strong, 'above-their-ability' games against Italy. Germany had just beaten Argentina (one of the tournament's most impressive sides) and was playing in front of a stadium of their own fans...[​IMG] Do you think Italy has been more 'theatrical' than any other team?
     
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    What games have you been watching? Did you see the Ghana or Czech games? Both the U.S. and Australia both played strong, 'above-their-ability' games against Italy. Germany had just beaten Argentina (one of the tournament's most impressive sides) and was playing in front of a stadium of their own fans...[​IMG] Do you think Italy has been more 'theatrical' than any other team?

    Obviously! Jeez get with the program! Germany and France are the best teams! [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Jon.
     
  15. Luc-Emmanuel

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    I think you've got a dog in the hunt here. [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  16. benecios

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    ^LOL

    Am I the only one who think Henry embellished that goal box tackle? He got hit on the leg, felt it, realized where he was, and THEN went down like a pile of bricks.

    Had he not went down that maybe would have been called, but probably not.

    I agree.Thierry "I will never dive,I hate cheats" Henry was also guilty of cheating when holding his face after being caught on the arm by Puyol.
     
  17. bigbadbuff

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    It doesn't help that refs- even at this stage- do nothing most of the time about diving. I thought I read that they were TOLD to card when they saw diving in this WC- the hell if I've seen but a handful and there's generous diving in most every game. I don't get them going bonkers with cards on questionable hits/fouls at best and yet they refuse to yank them out for diving, instead motioning the player up [​IMG]

    IIRC the last card given to a star player in the WC for diving was Rivaldo in 02. They simply aren't cracking down on it and it's maddening. I am a Christiano Ronaldo fan, but he is one of a growing # of newer players that make diving as big a part of their game as anything else, and it has just got to stop.

    Bring on instant replay and red card players who dive- it WILL stop.
     
  18. Manny Calavera

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    You people act like blind nationalists. When someone can't voice their opinion without getting attacked (there's a difference between voicing a counter-point and attacking someone), it's kind of ridiculous.

    I definitely don't think Germany and France are the "best" (?) teams this tournmanet. Germany has a great coach with homefield momentum and France has barely been scraping by. However, I do think France is one of the top three most capable teams of the tournament (I think England had the most potential as they were well-rounded as hell, with Brazil a close second as they rely more on star power).

    But yeah, I'm not sure how you can argue that Italy and Portugal don't take dives more than any other team. I love the country of Italy, and as Real Madrid is my favorite club with AS Roma being my second, I love Totti and Cassano (he got jipped), but seriously...if I see one more flamoyant fall followed by the grimace of someone who looks like they just got shot in the face I'm going to puke.
     
  19. bigbadbuff

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    [​IMG]


    You can't use still pics as evidence- we all agree he was touched, the question is whether it caused him to fall, or could he have stayed up if he wanted to- the pics don't tell us that.

    He could have gotten through the tackle, but you can also see that he would have lost a step or two on the ball and likely it would have been cleared by the next defender. IMO he gave up trying to make it to the ball and instead sell the contact.
     
  20. montecristo#4

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    [​IMG]

    Wow, before I agreed with you, but looking at those images I just see a dive.
     

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