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Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by matadorpoeta, May 15, 2006.

  1. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    It was a preparation game, and the french team was just coming back from a physical preparation week in the french alps. Neither side played at their best, I hope they'll do better during the world cup. France plays with a very strong defense, and not much else. Coherence is missing between backlines and frontlines, and they are not agressive enough in the midfield. We'll see if it gets better.

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  2. rdawson808

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    What was up with the French fans booing their players? Did they want an outright rout of the Mexicans? For starters, as much of a hard time as I might give MP about the Mexican squad, they're no push-overs. Second, as you say, L-E, it was a preparatory match. No sense playing 110% and getting hurt?

    Maybe I'm just used to the US where even a 1-0 win is still a win since we're not traditionally a power.

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  3. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    What was up with the French fans booing their players? Did they want an outright rout of the Mexicans?
    No, it's related to three specific players: Barthez, Dhorassoo and CissÃ[​IMG], whom a part of the (parisian) public feel they shouldn't have been in the team. It's a form of hooliganism which has plagued parisian football for many years.

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  4. sirene

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    Domenech sucks anyways so the fans should boo the c*** anyways. If the senior players could ignore him and take the reins France may have a chance. They need to build the team around Henry not Zidane as Zizou is past it and Titi is clearly the best player that have. Spain is strong this year and so is the Azzurri. Brasil is always up there but have a sh*te defense especially if they play Carlos and Cincinho. Dida is a flapper too. Argies have a great team this year. Hollands team is the weakest one I've seen in a long time but still pretty good. Ivory Coast could very well surprise by squeezing through the group stages upsetting a football giant (Holland/Argentina). Germany doenst have much quality (as usual) but always do well in competitions (as usual). I dont think USA and Mexico will cope well. Sweden can surprise as many often overlook them. England has quality but choke at the last minute. Becks is class this season and if Ericson could sort out the central midfield (ie defensive mid + offensive not Gerrard + Lamps) they could have a decent shot.
     
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    Domenech sucks anyways so the fans should boo the c*** anyways. If the senior players could ignore him and take the reins France may have a chance. They need to build the team around Henry not Zidane as Zizou is past it and Titi is clearly the best player that have.....England has quality but choke at the last minute. Becks is class this season and if Ericson could sort out the central midfield (ie defensive mid + offensive not Gerrard + Lamps) they could have a decent shot.

    why aren't the french taking giuly? he's class surely? what do you mean "not gerrard and lamps"? i reckon the only chance we've got is if gerrard gets his game together, he's one of the best midfielders in the world.
     
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    No, it's related to three specific players: Barthez, Dhorassoo and CissÃ[​IMG], whom a part of the (parisian) public feel they shouldn't have been in the team. It's a form of hooliganism which has plagued parisian football for many years.

    !luc



    I knew they were booing Barthez and Dhorassoo but thought they were also booing Zidane. Okay, it was Cisse, whatever. At any rate, why the booing? Is this just dissatisfaction with the choice of players? I would wonder if it is a racist thing (Zidane, Cissee, and Dhorassoo(my guess by name at least) being of African descent), but Barthez?

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  7. Luc-Emmanuel

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    I knew they were booing Barthez and Dhorassoo but thought they were also booing Zidane. Okay, it was Cisse, whatever. At any rate, why the booing? Is this just dissatisfaction with the choice of players? I would wonder if it is a racist thing (Zidane, Cissee, and Dhorassoo(my guess by name at least) being of African descent), but Barthez?

    bob

    Barthez plays for Marseille which is the arch rival club of Paris. I don't have a rational explanation for this as they are really just a bunch of idiotic fucks [​IMG]
     
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    Barthez plays for Marseille which is the arch rival club of Paris. I don't have a rational explanation for this as they are really just a bunch of idiotic fucks [​IMG]

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  9. matadorpoeta

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    why aren't the french taking giuly? he's class surely? what do you mean "not gerrard and lamps"? i reckon the only chance we've got is if gerrard gets his game together, he's one of the best midfielders in the world.

    lampard and gerrard are both attacking midfielders. if they play them both at the same time, they end up without a true defensive midfielder. they used to do this with david platt assuming the role and got to the semis in 1990.
     
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    I knew they were booing Barthez and Dhorassoo but thought they were also booing Zidane. Okay, it was Cisse, whatever. At any rate, why the booing? Is this just dissatisfaction with the choice of players? I would wonder if it is a racist thing (Zidane, Cissee, and Dhorassoo(my guess by name at least) being of African descent), but Barthez? bob
    it's common for some countries to boo their own players (mexico does this) when they don't feel the team is playing as well as they should or with the style they should. i thought the booing was because of a couple of very cynical fouls they commited in the first half, which shouldn't occur in a friendly. also, barthez was booed because he should be the back up to coupet, and of course the usual marseille v. paris nonsense. edit: i think america is the only country where people "boo." in the rest of the world, the crowd whistles, which means the same thing.
     
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    it's common for some countries to boo their own players (mexico does this) when they don't feel the team is playing as well as they should or with the style they should.

    Yeah, I see this. It just seems that sometimes expectations are too high.


    i thought the booing was because of a couple of very cynical fouls they commited in the first half, which shouldn't occur in a friendly. also, barthez was booed because he should be the back up to coupet, and of course the usual marseille v. paris nonsense.

    Ah, I didn't see the match, only heard the reports later. These latter two reasons are what I thought it was. Barthez vs Coupet (who I'm unfamiliar with) and Paris vs. Marseilles.



    edit: i think america is the only country where people "boo." in the rest of the world, the crowd whistles, which means the same thing.

    Weird huh? I think it's our American obstinancy (sp?). We just have to do things differently. [​IMG]

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    I'm both more and less optimistic about the American chances. O'Brien looked great but was clearly lacking conditioning. He should be great coming off the bench. If the US ever went to a Libero, he'd be my pick. Beasley is lacking confidence, a true shame as he has rare speed. Eddie Lewis remains our best crosser just as McBride remains our best target player. It would be something to see Lewis play with an aerial finisher on the order of a Klinsmann. Look for Donovan (der kleine Kaiser) to have a huge cup performance as playmaker and the highly over-rated Reyna to (finally!) be on the bench.

    Bobbie Convey is also going to provide some sparks before the Americans bow out.
     
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    Sorry, CdM, but I fear Donavon will do nothing. He will crumble under the pressure of not playing at home. But I pray I'm wrong.

    I am looking for Eddie Johnson to shine. I think once he gets that first goal after missing national team games due to injury, he will be burning for more--and will get them.

    Onyewu has a real potential to come out of this with big contract offers too. As one of the commentators was saying the other night, he has the size, the determination, and the speed to be a phenom defender.

    I agree, though, that Reyna is on his last legs. And that Lewis, Beasley, and Convey will provide much of our spark. They will be the troops that keep us going.


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    Sorry, CdM, but I fear Donavon will do nothing. He will crumble under the pressure of not playing at home. But I pray I'm wrong.

    bob



    I think Donovan's thing was homesickness, playing away from the US for extended periods. I think he'll do just fine on his German vacation. Even Ronaldo always said that he preferred playing in Spain over Italy, partly because of language. I don't fault Donovan for that. You could argue that he should have never signed with a German club if he didn't want to play there, but he was a pretty young kid when he did that.
     
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    I think Donovan's thing was homesickness, playing away from the US for extended periods. I think he'll do just fine on his German vacation. Even Ronaldo always said that he preferred playing in Spain over Italy, partly because of language. I don't fault Donovan for that. You could argue that he should have never signed with a German club if he didn't want to play there, but he was a pretty young kid when he did that.

    I guess I see it much more cynically than you. I look at his failure in Germany not simply as a case of homesick-ness that is cured by going home. I see it as a person who claims to want to play on the international stage and at the highest level failing in Germany, but not even trying anything else once the first attempt (as an adult) didn't work. He drove straight home to his place of comfort. He speaks spanish, so why not try Spain? Why not England or Scotland? Having a common language would at least make him feel more at home.

    A large part of this is also that I feel he was representing the USA in this and he let us down. Howard didn't fare too well when he moved to ManU but he is still trying. He's going on loan next season because he wants first-team game time. He wants to show that he can play in the EPL. Landond packed it in and said "I'll stick with mediocrity."

    And then when you look at all of the phenom US players in Europe who get no mention in the papers back home while Donovan gets all this praise, it makes me very very angry with him. [Yeah, and the media that portray him as this darling-wunderkind of US football.]


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  16. sirene

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    Lampard sucks and needs an anchor like Makelele. Gerrard is a complete midfielder who could play with either an anchor or another box to box midfielder (a la Alonso, Pirlo, etc). Lamps + Gerrard is suicide. I remember Ericson playing Becks as the anchor, needless to say it was bloody hilarious.

    Oh and no offense but I dont think USA would even get out of the group stages but then I dont watch MLS at all so I cant say much.

    Barthez would probably get the nod over Coupet (who is much better now) as Domenech is an imbecile.
     
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    I knew they were booing Barthez and Dhorassoo but thought they were also booing Zidane. Okay, it was Cisse, whatever. At any rate, why the booing? Is this just dissatisfaction with the choice of players? I would wonder if it is a racist thing (Zidane, Cissee, and Dhorassoo(my guess by name at least) being of African descent), but Barthez?

    bob


    Titi is black and no French supporter would boo him. Same with Vieira, Thuram, Makelele etc.
     
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    O'Brien looked great but was clearly lacking conditioning.

    And he had a big freaking rock on his forehead.
     
  19. rdawson808

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    Oh and no offense but I dont think USA would even get out of the group stages but then I dont watch MLS at all so I cant say much.


    But don't base our prospects necessarily on our MLS players. There are 12 Euro-based and 11-MLS based on the squad. And O'Brien only moved to the MLS in the last, what 6 months?

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    Titi is black and no French supporter would boo him. Same with Vieira, Thuram, Makelele etc.

    Oh yeah, duh. I rather managed to forget about all the other players. [​IMG]


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