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Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by matadorpoeta, May 15, 2006.

  1. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Senior member

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    I think a better solution would be to review the game afterwards via tape, and thus determine if a player should get a yellow card for diving.

    I wholeheartedly agree. That would be awesome.
     
  2. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Senior member

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    1: Getting hurt is getting hurt. If you can get up and keep playing, GET THE HELL UP AND PLAY. If you get on that stretcher you should be DONE. Pretending you are hurt so that you can get a call to go your way, or disrupt the flow of the game, or to distract the ref is bullshit. If you are off the stretcher and back in the game within 30 seconds, you don't need a stretcher. And yes, you are a wuss. If you are nicked in the shin, and have to roll around on the ground for three minutes, you are a wuss. Stop defending them. Its like someone going home early from work because they stubbed their toe or got a papercut. Grow a pair of balls and get back to work. 2:If it is, it is NEVER enforced. Never.
    1. okay. i agree with you on that. edit: but if you really are hurt, and get taken a way on a stretcher, your team should be able to make a sub for you. that's where i disagreed with you. 2. several players have been ejected for recieving 2 yellows in this tournament, with the second yellow given for diving. luis perez of mexico went out this way against angola. he was in the penalty area, about to shoot, and got his plant foot swept up by the defender. he was judged to have taken a dive, and since he already had a yellow, he was tossed.
     
  3. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Senior member

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    2. several players have been ejected for recieving 2 yellows in this tournament, with the second yellow given for diving. luis perez of mexico went out this way against angola. he was in the penalty area, about to shoot, and got his plant foot swept up by the defender. he was judged to have taken a dive, and since he already had a yellow, he was tossed.
    I didn't see that game, but I think that you and I can both agree that this one example of a bad call for diving can only be rectified by correctly calling and carding all the other "dives" in the game. I wouldnt mind the occasional bad call if the majority of the calls are correct. Unfortunately, from what I've seen in this world cup, this isn't the case. If the refs only call one bullshit diving call and ignore all the rest of the real instances, the ref might as well not be there.
    Maybe thats fair, but it should definitely count against your sub total. And if you already have your three subs in I don't think you should be able to bring in anyone. I mean, otherwise people will continue to take advantage of it.
     
  4. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Senior member

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    I didn't see that game, but I think that you and I can both agree that this one example of a bad call for diving can only be rectified by correctly calling and carding all the other "dives" in the game. I wouldnt mind the occasional bad call if the majority of the calls are correct. Unfortunately, from what I've seen in this world cup, this isn't the case. If the refs only call one bullshit diving call and ignore all the rest of the real instances, the ref might as well not be there.
    yes. i agree with you 100%. that's why i complain about the refs while others dismiss diving as "part of the modern game." edited for clarity.
     
  5. imageWIS

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    Great game, Italy really made sure that Germany understood that they WEREN'T going to the final. The Germans had some of their own rough patches as well, although, they were a bit more gentlemanly compared to the Italians, but hey, we all know how the Italians are, so I really don't think anyone should act surprised.

    Jon.
     
  6. imageWIS

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    expert in what? as i said, i was 11 years old in '86. i am aware that we rooted for germany during the final, but unless we spit at your team or threw something at your team bus, i don't see it as being unsporting.



    if we have a reputation for being unsporting, i am unaware of it. i was embarrased by rafa marquez' foul on the american when we lost to them 4 years ago. that was a case of poor sportsmanship, but it was an isolated one. argentina is actually known for being bad losers.

    again, i have nothing agaisnt argentines personally. someone asked why they have this reptutation and i answered them. it's nothing more than a stereotype, but all stereotypes are based on some fact. they don't grow out of nowhere.


    As I stated:

    "˜any sort of back and fourth debate would be for naught'

    Thus, I will not go into it; I will however talk about the current part of the cup and its final 3 possible winners.

    Jon.
     
  7. globetrotter

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    great fucking game!! watched while having a business meeting in Mexico - we were both interested, so we just decided to give in and watch while working.
     
  8. montecristo#4

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    That result sucks. I hate Italy. Their style is pathetic. Defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, counterattack, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, try a set play, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend. Friggin' lame.

    Portugal and France are lame, too. I may actually have to favor France at this point. Blech.
     
  9. Matt

    Matt Senior member

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    you missed a spot....

    Defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, counterattack, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, try a set play, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend
    dive, roll, squeal, defend
     
  10. matadorpoeta

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    As I stated:

    "˜any sort of back and fourth debate would be for naught'

    Thus, I will not go into it; I will however talk about the current part of the cup and its final 3 possible winners.

    Jon.


    you also stated that i am uneducated and that my countrymen are unsportsmanlike. if you are not going to back up your statements, don't make them. this is a men's forum.
     
  11. imageWIS

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    That result sucks. I hate Italy. Their style is pathetic. Defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, counterattack, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, try a set play, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend. Friggin' lame.

    Portugal and France are lame, too. I may actually have to favor France at this point. Blech.


    The Italians were a lot more coordinated than the Germans (only play with the ball in the air); some of the plays were completely beautiful. It seems that half of us on this thread watched one game and the other half watched another.

    Jon.
     
  12. rdawson808

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    Well, I thought that was a pretty good game. I was afraid it would go to PKs but Italy hit two great goals.

    I thought there was little diving and that was refreshing. I thought the German's looked a little flat; they had some attacks but couldn't seem to pull it off. Hell Italy had a few shots off the post.

    I think Italy deserved the win. And it was nail-biting and made for a good game.

    Oh yeah, as for the ref-ing: he let the game flow which was nice. However, he also seemed to let more go than I was happy with. I thought that tended to help Germany. But overall a great job.


    bob
     
  13. Matt

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    Australian Rules football is like that - people in Australian football dont want the stretcher to come get them - cos then they are out of the game.

    If they are injured - and remember Australian football is one of the toughest games on earth, ppl running a lot faster, getting hit a lot harder, and wearing absolutely zero padding - sure they can make their way toward the sideline and a sub can come in for them. If they make it to the sideline on their own two feet, then they are allowed back. If they need a stretcher, then they are not. Either way, a sub is allowed in for them. This is of course something of a disadvantage (yet another disincentive to fake injury) as the sub is likely to be not-warmed-up and it is quite possible that on their bench they do not have someone who plays the same position as the injured person, meaning they will have to basically restructure the team.

    Excellent deterrents to faking injury for attention.

    I also think video replays to determine diving would be a great idea - again - a huge deterrent as catching people later should put the fear of death into them every time they lose their footing - and when a team like Italy loses a person like, say, Fabio Grosso - and then has to play their entire next game without him - well then you will see coaches ordering their players to stay on their feet at all times, and to not rely on diving tactics for attention - and a lot of this game spoiling crap will disappear.
     
  14. imageWIS

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    you also stated that i am uneducated and that my countrymen are unsportsmanlike. if you are not going to back up your statements, don't make them. this is a men's forum.

    I already made my points, simply challenging me on as if it somehow bolsters your point after I stated I did not want to go down this path. If this makes me less of a man, than you misunderstand the concept of what truly makes a man.

    Jon.
     
  15. Fabienne

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    I was refering to the players born in Guadalupe and French Guyana but as you correctly pointed out they come under the umbrella of France anyway.
    Under the umbrella of France? You had better be careful with that kind of statement around GuadeloupÃ[​IMG]ens. The ones I met last week wore tricolor scarves and blended seamlessly with the Franco-Canadian crowd I hung out with. Italy vs Germany: Finally a clear-sighted referee. The Italians annoy the H... out of me. Germany was scattered and deserved to lose, unfortunately. Odd match I couldn't get into, despite injuring my voice. If the final happens to be France=Italy, I don't believe I can bear to watch. Explosion of joyous honking in downtown MontrÃ[​IMG]al as France won, all French flags sold out.
     
  16. imageWIS

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    Under the umbrella of France? You had better be careful with that kind of statement around GuadeloupÃ[​IMG]ens. The ones I met last week wore tricolor scarves and blended seamlessly with the Franco-Canadian crowd I hung out with.

    Italy vs Germany: Finally a clear-sighted referee. The Italians annoy the H... of of me. Germany was scattered and deserved to lose, unfortunately. Odd match I couldn't get into, despite injuring my voice. If the final happens to be France=Italy, I don't believe I can bear to watch.

    Explosion of joyous honking in downtown MontrÃ[​IMG]al as France won, all French flags sold out.


    Italy is one of the futbol superpowers, there can be no doubt. So is France. I really think it will be France v Italy for the final, but we will have to wait 17 hours to know. Not only was Italy going nuts today, but Argentina as well (50% Italian decent population).

    Germany could have played better and I think they played stronger against Argentina; which goes to show that you never can tell in the world cup, and the teams rated the strongest at the beginning of the cup (Brazil this time around) can easily be surpassed by teams that were rated a lot lower.

    Jon.
     
  17. Luc-Emmanuel

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    Nice game but it got quite boring in the second half. The germans were athletically superior, and played rougher. They clearly lacked any talent on the wings and couldn't get through around canavaro, materazzi and gattuso (which would be expected), thus they seemed hopeless. They should have locked Pirlo a lot tighter too.
    Italy deserved to win.

    !luc
     
  18. Luc-Emmanuel

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    Well, I'll be there in Germany cheering for the US, with England and Germany as second picks. I'll add Italy to that list if they survive into the round of 16, since I love their style of play. Right now, I'm picking Germany to win it all, given the home field advantage (hell, look what it did for the Koreans).
    one out of four, that's not so bad.

    !luc
     
  19. manicturncoat

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    You and I must have been watching two different games. I saw the Italians diving seemingly every 30 seconds in the second half of the game approaching full time. Luckily the ref was smart enough not to call most of them. When you have to look around before clutching at your leg/head to see what team has the ball, and then you fall to the ground... you are faking. End of story. It cheapened the game and I almost turned it off.

    The first of the two goals was very impressive. A perfect shot. I give Italy credit for that.

    You give Italy credit for that? How generous of you. How about Pirlos perfect control and assist, any credit for that? If you can't appreciate the quality of the soccer on display last night then you need to find another sport to comment on.
    The posts here are generally anti Italian and constantly state explicitely or insinuate that we are either cheats or prima donnas. I find this offensive, I do not deny the substance the comments that were made about some of the behaviour on the pitch but I take exception that somehow it is a manifestation of a typically Italian (i.e. dishonest) character to be a cheat.
    What most ignorant posters here don't know is that Italy has, physically, one of the toughest domestic leagues in the world.
    Here is are some of Italy's famous cheats and prima donnas from the last 40 years

    Gianni Rivera
    Gigi Riva
    Tarcisio Burgnich
    Sandro Mazzola
    Giacinto Fachetti
    Gian Carlo Antongnoni
    Paolo Rossi
    Bruno Conti
    Marco Tardelli
    Gabriele Oriali
    Paolo Maldini
    Franco Baresi
    Roberto Baggio
    Daniele Massaro
    Gian Luca Vialli
    Roberto Mancini
    Roberto Donadoni
    Fabio Cannavaro
    Alessandro Nesta
    Andrea Pirlo
    Gian Luca Zambrotta

    This is just a taste. There are few countries that can boast most more talent and as illustrious a football history. SIX WORLD CUP FINALS, count'em and three won so far.....

    SEMPRE FORZA AZZURRI
     
  20. Ambulance Chaser

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    Great game. Italy has the reputation for being the New Jersey Devils of soccer, but what I saw was the complete neutralization of the best attack in the World Cup and beautiful counterattacking. I'm glad that the game did not go to penalty kicks and that the better team won.
     

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