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Women in suits: a bad idea?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Flartchy, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. Flartchy

    Flartchy Senior member

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    So I've been seeing women in suits a lot lately, having to go to court more than I used to (my job). And IMHO the look just doesn't work for most women. And here's why, I believe:

    The traditional Western suit was designed to accentuate the male secondary sexual characteristics. Namely, broad shoulders & narrow hips.

    Most of the women I see in suits wear single-vented jackets that, without exception, gape open to reveal their less-than-svelte buttocks. Furthermore, the jackets do not drape well over women's hips or breasts. The "V" shape that suits give a person does not flatter a woman's natural curves.

    I seems that only women who are in excellent (and somewhat masculine) shape look at all good in a suit. All the models you see looking ok in suits are stick-thin.

    I'm just wondering what alternative there is for women in a business environment. It seems strange that they'd be forced to wear clothing that was designed for the male shape.
     
  2. Nicola

    Nicola Senior member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsuit#History Welcome to 1920. Next week we will take about an amazing new invention called a radio. If the woman you know are wearing ill fitting clothes they'll wear ill fitting clothes no matter what they wear.
     
  3. Flartchy

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    Please post a photo of an average-sized, non-skinny woman, say size 10-12, looking good in a suit. (The average size for women in the US is actually 14.)

    I rest my case.
     
  4. TheWraith

    TheWraith Senior member

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    I've seen plenty of women look just fine in a suit. What you think doesn't look good doesn't mean others think the same. Opinion and all.
     
  5. Flartchy

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    I've seen plenty of women look just fine in a suit. What you think doesn't look good doesn't mean others think the same. Opinion and all.
    Then you should have no problem finding a pic of an average-sized woman who you think looks good in a suit, one in which the suit doesn't drape oddly over her hips or breasts or other curves. Go for it. Do you disagree that suits are meant to accentuate breadth of shoulders and narrowness of hips? I think you guys are disagreeing just to disagree. My argument is unassailable. To reiterate, it goes like this: 1) Suits have historically been designed to accentuate male characteristics* 2) Women, by and large, don't have these characteristics 3) Therefore, suits that accentuate these characteristics won't look good on average-shaped women. I don't see how that can be argued with. Please enlighten me, in a rational way. * "For example, in men's dress, the male suit does not just accentuate male bodily features, but adds 'masculinity' to the body." From Joanne Entwistle's The fashioned body: fashion, dress, and modern social theory
     
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    pvrhye Senior member

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    I think women look great in suits if the shoulders aren't too built up. The only caveat is that they look better out of the suit.
    giggity
    As for a size 14, it's not the suit that's the issue. 14 isn't big, but it isn't fit either.
     
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    __PG__ Senior member

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    Please post a photo of an average-sized, non-skinny woman, say size 10-12, looking good in a suit. (The average size for women in the US is actually 14.)
    I'd post of picture of my wife in her Zara suit but she'd kill me [​IMG] If a women doesn't have 'svelte buttocks' then she's not going to look great in most items of clothing. Additionally, I like the fact that a women's blouse/jacket doesn't 'drape' around her chest..they are meant to accentuate the bust.
     
  9. MyOtherLife

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    Please post a photo of an average-sized, non-skinny woman, say size 10-12, looking good in a suit.

    That would be me, but you would have to pay dearly for the priviledge.
     
  10. TheWraith

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    Then you should have no problem finding a pic of an average-sized woman who you think looks good in a suit, one in which the suit doesn't drape oddly over her hips or breasts or other curves. Go for it.

    I don't walk around the city with a camera taking pics of strange women [​IMG]

    I think you guys are disagreeing just to disagree. My argument is unassailable.

    Opinion is not fact.

    If a women doesn't have 'svelte buttocks' then she's not going to look great in most items of clothing.

    Additionally, I like the fact that a women's blouse/jacket doesn't 'drape' around her chest..they meant to accentuate the bust.


    +1 agreed, well said.
     
  11. JamesX

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    Then you should have no problem finding a pic of an average-sized woman who you think looks good in a suit, one in which the suit doesn't drape oddly over her hips or breasts or other curves. Go for it.

    Do you disagree that suits are meant to accentuate breadth of shoulders and narrowness of hips?

    I think you guys are disagreeing just to disagree. My argument is unassailable. To reiterate, it goes like this:

    1) Suits have historically been designed to accentuate male characteristics*
    2) Women, by and large, don't have these characteristics
    3) Therefore, suits that accentuate these characteristics won't look good on average-shaped women.

    I don't see how that can be argued with. Please enlighten me, in a rational way.


    There are quite a lot of guys who have oddly shaped bodies. They would look ridiculous in your idea of "average" shaped suits.

    On a forum that is all about Fit, you are saying that a woman suit would look ridiculous because it is not fitted to their general shape. The same would be true for males as well.

    A woman suit is not the same as a man's suit, even if it is a pant suit. Their shoulder and waist are different. So are their quarters.

    If what you mean that average women look ridiculous in men's suit then yes. That argument is unassailable. But if you meant that women look ridiculous in any suit - even a fitted women's suit, then that position is rather odd.
     
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    1) Suits have historically been designed to accentuate male characteristics*
    2) Women, by and large, don't have these characteristics
    3) Therefore, suits that accentuate these characteristics won't look good on average-shaped women.


    Suits historically have been designed to accentuate male characteristics. That does not mean a "suit" style jacket cannot be cut to accentuate the curves of a woman. The cloth is what the worker makes of it. Fashionable women are not wearing pantsuits that look like they're straight from Kiton or Hickey Freeman. They are wearing something that is a "suit" in name only.

    I think women usually look about the same in a nice pantsuit as they do in a blouse and skirt. What I find attractive in some pantsuits:

    super slim fit for the jacket with almost no padding
    lots of waist suppression for the coke bottle shape
    cute blouse or something inside
    almost hugging through the top half of the pants before opening into those flowing bell bottoms.
    stilettos to help the umm... walk...
     
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    I disagree with your argument. I've seen women look damn good in a suit, and at the very least a "blazer" or whatever the women's sportcoat equivalent might be called.

    Both women and men can look good or bad in a suit. Whether they do or not depends entirely on the clothes they purchase. Just like men can wear a suit that doesn't flatter him, so can (most) women.

    Despite all of this, women look a lot better in a dress.
     
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    If what you mean that average women look ridiculous in men's suit then yes. That argument is unassailable. But if you meant that women look ridiculous in any suit - even a fitted women's suit, then that position is rather odd.

    I agree! The one thing is obvious but the latter is just ridiculous [​IMG]
     
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    Please post a photo of an average-sized, non-skinny woman, say size 10-12, looking good in a suit. (The average size for women in the US is actually 14.)

    I rest my case.


    Srsly? [​IMG]
     
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    pvrhye Senior member

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    Found a big girl in a suit. That chick from Madmen. She's a little on the big side.
    [​IMG]
     
  18. add911_11

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    Found a big girl in a suit. That chick from Madmen. She's a little on the big side.

    She looks like a milfy wife, I would without fail.

    But the cut of the suit looks old, it only highlights her boots but nothing else
     
  19. linkinwayne

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    Then you should have no problem finding a pic of an average-sized woman who you think looks good in a suit, one in which the suit doesn't drape oddly over her hips or breasts or other curves. Go for it.

    Do you disagree that suits are meant to accentuate breadth of shoulders and narrowness of hips?

    I think you guys are disagreeing just to disagree. My argument is unassailable. To reiterate, it goes like this:

    1) Suits have historically been designed to accentuate male characteristics*
    2) Women, by and large, don't have these characteristics
    3) Therefore, suits that accentuate these characteristics won't look good on average-shaped women.

    I don't see how that can be argued with. Please enlighten me, in a rational way.

    * "For example, in men's dress, the male suit does not just accentuate male bodily features, but adds 'masculinity' to the body." From Joanne Entwistle's The fashioned body: fashion, dress, and modern social theory

    I like how all this blabbering was stopped immediately by the subsequent pictures
     
  20. lasbar

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    Found a big girl in a suit. That chick from Madmen. She's a little on the big side.

    She is doable..[​IMG]
     

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