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Will you take normalization or individualization with your coffee?

Holdfast

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I choose neither option.

I think clothing is about self-actualisation - moving towards being comfortable with who you are and being happy putting that out there for others to see. Now, for some, that involves idealisation towards a classical ideal of proportion. For others it's about deliberately echoing their own figure as closely as possible. Both are legitimate approaches... IF the wearer is doing it for the RIGHT reason (they enjoy how they look in the mirror wearing it), not in order to achieve some externally defined ideological purity of approach.

What I see on the forums a lot is people choosing clothes because it either gains approval of others here or (related) because it meets a philosophy of dressing suggested by an authority (either on the board or in the wider world). That's a really bad way of choosing clothing because in both cases, you end up looking stiff and unnatural - no matter how much or how little padding is on your perfectly formed or incredibly ugly shoulders.

Sorry, one too many glasses of sherry have made this post slightly garbled, but hpoefully you get my drift.
 

DocHolliday

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I lean toward the first option, but with reservations. Many portions of my physique warrant no accentuation, but, at the same time, I don't seek to hide beneath my clothes. There are some things that clothing just can't fix. For example, I don't want linebacker shoulders to make up for my scrawny build. At the same time, I don't want an unpadded shoulder to show off the lump left over from a broken bone. Clothing, I'd suggest, should be compatible with build, but not slave to it.
 

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I voted "reflect the wearer's idiosyncrasies and physique"

Guys with smaller arms and thin waists shouldn't get suits with very full arms and suppressed waists. Get a full arm and less suppressed waist or narrow arms and suppressed waists.

Guys with big legs and big arms shouldn't get suits with narrow arms and narrow trousers.
 

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Originally Posted by Holdfast
I choose neither option.

I think clothing is about self-actualisation - moving towards being comfortable with who you are and being happy putting that out there for others to see. Now, for some, that involves idealisation towards a classical ideal of proportion. For others it's about deliberately echoing their own figure as closely as possible. Both are legitimate approaches... IF the wearer is doing it for the RIGHT reason (they enjoy how they look in the mirror wearing it), not in order to achieve some externally defined ideological purity of approach.

What I see on the forums a lot is people choosing clothes because it either gains approval of others here or (related) because it meets a philosophy of dressing suggested by an authority (either on the board or in the wider world). That's a really bad way of choosing clothing because in both cases, you end up looking stiff and unnatural - no matter how much or how little padding is on your perfectly formed or incredibly ugly shoulders.

Sorry, one too many glasses of sherry have made this post slightly garbled, but hpoefully you get my drift.




The most sense anyone has made on this forum ha!
 

voxsartoria

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I would consider voting it this poll if you would change the second choice to:

Reflect the wearer's idiosyncrasies and phallique.

Thank you.


- B
 

lawyerdad

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Originally Posted by voxsartoria
I would consider voting it this poll if you would change the second choice to:

Reflect the wearer's idiosyncrasies and phallique.

Thank you.


- B


Isn't that more of a SW&D thing?
 

mmkn

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Originally Posted by voxsartoria
Reflect the wearer's idiosyncrasies and phallique.

Thank you.


- B


You weren't joking . . .



Or were you?


- M
 

itsstillmatt

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Originally Posted by mmkn
You weren't joking . . .
Or were you?
- M

What manly chest hair. With looser shorts, the testosterone will flow freely.
 

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Originally Posted by Holdfast
I think clothing is about self-actualisation - moving towards being comfortable with who you are and being happy putting that out there for others to see. Now, for some, that involves idealisation towards a classical ideal of proportion. For others it's about deliberately echoing their own figure as closely as possible. Both are legitimate approaches... IF the wearer is doing it for the RIGHT reason (they enjoy how they look in the mirror wearing it), not in order to achieve some externally defined ideological purity of approach.

What I see on the forums a lot is people choosing clothes because it either gains approval of others here or (related) because it meets a philosophy of dressing suggested by an authority (either on the board or in the wider world). That's a really bad way of choosing clothing because in both cases, you end up looking stiff and unnatural - no matter how much or how little padding is on your perfectly formed or incredibly ugly shoulders.

Sorry, one too many glasses of sherry have made this post slightly garbled, but hpoefully you get my drift.


Spoken like a true psychiatrist. And spoken well, if I may say so. When is the book coming out? The last time someone published anything authoritative on the psychology of dress was a long time ago. I believe it was Flugel in the psychoanalysis age - back in the 1930's or so.

Self-consciousness about image drives people to do strange things, and make odd clothing choices. Perhaps, the best thing about bespoke is that you have a garment cut by a neutral third party who bases the cut on objective measurements taken by a measuring tape. Many people choose RTW garments on the basis of subjective measurements taken in a mirror.
 

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Originally Posted by Sator
Spoken like a true psychiatrist. And spoken well, if I may say so. When is the book coming out? The last time someone published anything authoritative on the psychology of dress was a long time ago. I believe it was Flugel in the psychoanalysis age - back in the 1930's or so.

Self-consciousness about image drives people to do strange things, and make odd clothing choices. Perhaps, the best thing about bespoke is that you have a garment cut by a neutral third party who bases the cut on objective measurements taken by a measuring tape. Many people choose RTW garments on the basis of subjective measurements taken in a mirror.


Reading some Habermas might be in order.
 

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