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Why Will is so great

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by dopey, Feb 10, 2013.

  1. Ivar

    Ivar Senior member

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    Great taste, great prose, great guy. Respect.
     
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  2. bboysdontcryy

    bboysdontcryy Senior member

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    I like this post of his. Not new, of course.

    'Just as some men find it difficult to feel relaxed in their clothes, some men feel that they should not be interested in their clothes in the first place and, like de Balzac’s ‘beast’, they just cover themselves. I suppose that they do have a kind of authority on their side, including Hardy Amies, with his dictum about choosing one’s clothes with intelligence, putting them on with care and then forgetting all about them but the trouble is that these men miss out the first two stages.

    The fear seems to be for a man to seem to be interested in his own clothes. This fear is often put about and enforced by couch potatoes who ask for nothing more from life than to watch football on the television, with a twelve pack of pilsner beer, muttering, in defence of their idleness, that this is what real men do and real men do not care about clothes; real men don’t dance, and real men certainly don’t cry.

    Let’s think about it in reverse order: if we accept that Sir Winston Churchill was a real man, then there is an example of a real man who often burst into tears, even on public platforms. If real men don’t dance, what was George Raft doing (and doing superbly well), with Carole Lombard, in the film Rumba?

    If real men don’t care about clothes, what are Muhammad Ali and Manny Pacquiao doing dressing as they do?

    Accordingly, let the couch potatoes sneer as they like. They sneer because they want to avoid full engagement in the act of living and their condemning of certain activities enables them: first, to avoid the effort involved in taking part and, secondly, to keep in their quiet corners, hoping that they won’t be asked to show the world what they can do. If they (at least occasionally) actually stood up and took part in something other than the vicarious enjoyment of the sporting achievements of others, they might understand the simple pleasure to be derived from striving to achieve something worthwhile. Dressing well is a part of that striving for achievement. Come to that, knowing how to dance (even if not as well as George Raft) is worthwhile because, when the couch potatoes are wallflowers at a ‘do’, you won’t be and, while I don’t suggest bursting into tears at a tough business meeting, if someone close to you (even a well-loved pet) suddenly dies, one misses out on a part of living in stifling natural grief with a fear of feeling.'


    http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/2012/05/masculine-interest-in-dressing.html
     
  3. GBR

    GBR Senior member

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    Oh come he does dress like a blogger and he dresses in a manner that few can afford to emulate. Whilst what he sells is good stuff and I don't doubt service is good, he does sell to a very narrow niche.
     
  4. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I am sure you can find some blogger-like examples. but for the most part he dresses like, as Mark Seitelman says, a grown-up. In any event, Will has pretty much been doing the same thing for years and years - pre-internet in any event. No doubt, his tastes have evolved and have been influenced by as well as influenced the internet, but I don't think he is in the #menswear category by any means.
     
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  5. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    There are certain gimmicks and flourishes that mark someone as dressing like a blogger. Never wearing socks. Decorative scarf-wear. Friendship bracelets. Hybrid garments (sweater-jackets and jacket-sweaters). Extra-tight pants. Extra-short jackets. Gloves stuffed in breast pockets and never worn. Etc.
     
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  6. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    This is a reasonable list, but to be meaningful in typing bloggers, I think you have to look at the context in which these things are worn (like sweater jackets), the number of flourishes piled on top of each other, and, to a lesser degree, where the habit comes from. The latter is hard to identify but it makes the difference between looking natural and looking like you are wearing something you saw on TV (or are trying to get on the Sartorialist).
     
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  7. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    True, maybe one smell test is to ask whether such an outfit could be worn where outfits of its formality are worn. Hence, friendship bracelets are a deal-breaker. I cannot imagine wearing them stacked conspicuously on my wrist and then go to work without getting odd looks and people asking me, what's with the bracelets?
     
  8. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    What I appreciate most about WIll is that he is just enjoying being himself and pursuing his own personal style.
     
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  9. add911_11

    add911_11 Senior member

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    The best post ever, keep it up my friend.
     
  10. Kingstonian

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    By all accounts he is a nice chap but caviar and sending shirts out to be laundered is classic iGent territory. He was on about light blue shirts the other day. Most men have those as a wardrobe staple. Not Will - but to compensate he was going to buy a whole bunch of them, so that he always had a spare in case the 'better half' sends the laundry away (for not using the tradesman's entrance?).

    I know it is his business now, but he seems to have too much stuff and is always looking for more. Stuff for the week between Summer and Autumn when it is neither hot enough nor cold enough for the rest of his clothes. That sort of thing. Will's clothing concerns often seem trivial to me. Vox always posted the better photographs too.

    I do not know what other interests he has, but Will seems like someone with too much time on his hands. He could be doing other things.
     
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  11. add911_11

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    How can having caviar be a i-Gent thing? It is just like a bottle of fine wine once per month, perfectly normal in the society.

    And it is so common to have shirts dry-clean in Hong Kong!
     
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  12. Kingstonian

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    I seem to remember an article where Will was POSTING his shirts off to be laundered. To me, it does not get any more iGent than that.

    Then again I am a High Street Man. I would have been content to continue buying most of my clothes there if there was still anything half decent on offer.
     
  13. mafoofan

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    I think you guys are confusing the meaning of 'iGent'. Sure, the things Will talks about doing require a certain financial wherewithal. But that is neither iGent behavior, nor anything he should feel bad about. We are all here to talk about what is inherently a luxury hobby that most cannot afford to entertain.

    The term "iGent" refers to internet posters who present a false facade of ill-informed gentility. If you want to see prime examples, get in a time machine, go back a few years, and read AAAC. An iGent would not send his clothes out to a a good cleaner (which is not all that unusual if you can afford it). He lives in his parents' basement and has his mother do his laundry, but calls her his "butler" online. That's iGent.
     
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  14. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    That has nothing whatsoever to do with being an iGent.
     
  15. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think trying to define i-gent is a bit pointless.
    I wish Jester would see this signal and weigh in on the term. I don't think he has posted here in years, but he would be the one to tell us what it means.
     
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    +1.


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  17. DocHolliday

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    No time machine necessary.

    The handy thing about "iGent" is that it's such a flexible insult. But the truth is, we're all guys posting on a clothing message board, which puts us, to greater or lesser degree, in the same "clothing hobbyist" camp as Will.

    Will's often mentioned the difficulty of finding fresh blog content, so let's take a charitable eye to his efforts. I think it's among the best of its kind, easily.
     
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  18. Kingstonian

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    I pick up some of that in his blog at times. Downton Abbey syndrome. Silicon Valley, California is a very different place and this accentuates it. He sometimes seems out of kilter. The world will not change to fit in with him.

    I have nothing against iGents. I liked the BBC TV programme about Claridges and the delight of the iGent's new wife in the hotel. There is nothing wrong with being nouveau riche either. If you acquire it, enjoy it.
     
  19. Veremund

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    +1 indeed. A very classy grown-up. I've no shame in saying he's a sartorial role model of mine, probably because he reminds me of my dad who is sadly no longer with us.
     
  20. Veremund

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    Only once a month?!?! How spartan!!!
     

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