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Why no love for the windsor knot?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by AlmostSmart, Mar 31, 2011.

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  1. AlmostSmart

    AlmostSmart Senior member

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    Please tell me. Living and working in London, UK I wouldn't go so far as to say that it is the exclusive tie knot, but it is the most common one and one that I wear, especially with spread-collared shirts.

    I have seen so many comments of late where new posters are posting pics, and they are slammed immediately because they have ties a windsor and not a FIH. And not always told in a gentle way, but pretty aggressive sometimes.

    I have a feeling that the responses will be in the region of 95% against the 'windsor'.
     
  2. DerekS

    DerekS Senior member

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    I dont hate them.....I used to ONLY wear windsors....up until recently SF "inspired" me to try out the FIH. Its been my go to knot for months now....but i do find that there are a couple ties that just make too small of a knot with a FIH and paired with a spread collar it just needs a windsor.
     
  3. w.o.e.is.me.

    w.o.e.is.me. Senior member

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    I only wear a spread collar, so the windsor is my go-to knot.
    i approve.
     
  4. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    op, im not a fan of the full windsor

    highjacked!

    1/2 windsor, love it or hate it?
     
  5. landshark

    landshark Senior member

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    I used to wear only windsor and half windsor knots. Now I only wear four in hand and double four in hand knots. For me there are a few reasons why I prefer the FIH to the Windsor:

    1. The shape of the knot. It's not quite symmetrical and can be pressed and shaped into flattering proportions.

    2. Achieving a proper dimple is significantly easier with a FIH knot. A windsor knot can end up on the sides or have double or triple dimples. It just doesn't look good on a windsor

    3. Removal. You can just pull the FIH knot and it will come undone. A windsor or 1/2 windsor will require loosening and then further unknotting afterwards.

    4. Simplicity. FIH is a simpler and shorter process to tie than both a windsor and 1/2 windsor.
     
  6. Larson McCord

    Larson McCord Senior member

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    I find that now that I'm wearing nicer ties the material is much thicker. Putting an already big knot on a thick tie makes it look gigantic in my eyes.
     
  7. AlexE

    AlexE Senior member

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    I don't like the full windsor since the knot just gets too big (unless it is a super thin tie). And I don't like the NBA commentator signature look.

    I mainly like the FIH and, from time to time, I tie a half-windsor...by the way I think both look very nice with spread collars.
     
  8. gwolf

    gwolf Senior member

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    i actually don't know how to tie them. never learned i guess. when it comes to neckwear i only know how to tie a fih and a bowtie.
     
  9. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Because it's U - G - L - Y and it ain't got no alibi.
     
  10. shawn$

    shawn$ Active Member

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    Im a windsor type of guy. It was the 1st tie I learned how to tie and still my go to
     
  11. gaseousclay

    gaseousclay Senior member

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    I prefer the shelby knot or the half-windsor
     
  12. AncientSoul

    AncientSoul Well-Known Member

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    I used to wear only windsor and half windsor knots. Now I only wear four in hand and double four in hand knots. For me there are a few reasons why I prefer the FIH to the Windsor: 3. Removal. You can just pull the FIH knot and it will come undone. A windsor or 1/2 windsor will require loosening and then further unknotting afterwards.
    Nope.
     
  13. munchausen

    munchausen Senior member

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    I do the half windsor. It's what my dad taught me and it's never been a problem for me.
     
  14. landshark

    landshark Senior member

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    Nope.

    I don't know how you tie your FIH but if you loosen it where the small end is out, it will just unravel.
     
  15. Patek

    Patek Senior member

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    Another vote for the half. I find it just right with 3" or less ties.
     
  16. w.o.e.is.me.

    w.o.e.is.me. Senior member

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    I do the half windsor. It's what my dad taught me and it's never been a problem for me.

    stellar avatar.
    *wipes brow*
     
  17. MrDaniels

    MrDaniels Senior member

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    They are slick and make a statement, but have to be used in the correct proportion to the rest of the fit and with the appropriate collar.
     
  18. AncientSoul

    AncientSoul Well-Known Member

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    I don't know how you tie your FIH but if you loosen it where the small end is out, it will just unravel.


    I know that FIH is a self releasing tie. I highlighted the part in your quote that I didn't agree with. A Windsor knot is self releasing and a half windsor can also be self releasing (depending on where you start the loop in second stage).
     
  19. ALFAMALE

    ALFAMALE Senior member

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    It depends on the tie/collar...
     
  20. Master-Classter

    Master-Classter Senior member

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    full windsors are often tied poorly, giving the general knot type a bad name.

    many ties are too thick to do a full windsor nicely, ie symetrical and a little full, but with a thick tie it ends up being huge (see first point)

    this forum is a little USA skewed so the FIH is preferred. Also works better with OCBD's.
     

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