Why I own 3 JAB suits, and where I want to go from here

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Jester87, Apr 25, 2012.

  1. Jester87

    Jester87 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. I am pretty happy to be gainfully employed 2L summer - many of my classmates have stuck out.
    Thanks for the advice. What do you mean by "learn and take direction?"
     


  2. elbastardocalvo

    elbastardocalvo Senior member

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    Let me put it this way. Every SA thinks he or she is hot shit (I certainly did), even more so when you're employed as a 2L in a down economy. The truth, however, is that no SA really knows how to do anything meaningful. Law school, IMHO, doesn't prepare you to practice law, it prepares you to pass the bar. Take the time you have working at a firm to learn as much as possible. Listen more than you speak, and don't be afraid of constructive criticism.
     


  3. CousinDonuts

    CousinDonuts Senior member

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    You're at least 23 or 24 and you're questioning what this means? You're starting to worry me now. Clothes may be the least of your worries, no offense.
     


  4. CousinDonuts

    CousinDonuts Senior member

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    Your size will be for each brand what it will be. I was thinking more along the lines of what features do you like...2 button or 3/2 roll? Single or double vents? Pick stitching or no? stuff like that. more just the general appearance that matches what you like. Then in the future it's easier to buy because you can be more targeted. That all comes with time.
     


  5. Jester87

    Jester87 Well-Known Member

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    Here's how I interpret your comment:

    "You're 24 years old, and you can't figure out the plain language meaning of[FONT=verdana, tahoma, arial, sans-serif] 'learn and take direction?' You must be mentally challenged, and thus clothing is the least of your worries."[/FONT]

    Here is the definition of learn and take direction:

    Learn

    1 gain or acquire knowledge of or skill in (something) by study, experience, or being taught : they'd started learning French | [with infinitive ] she is learning to play the piano | [ intrans. ] we learn from experience.

    Direction

    2 the management or guidance of someone or something : under his direction, the college has developed an international reputation.
    • the work of supervising and controlling the actors and other staff in a movie, play, or other production.
    • ( directions) instructions on how to reach a destination or about how to do something : Preston gave him directions to a restaurant | directions for making puff pastry.
    • an authoritative order or command : to suggest that members of Congress would take direction on how to vote is an affront.

    The reason I asked for a clarification is because I do understand what the plain language means, but I am looking for more nuanced answers - little bits of information that I could have never guessed from 'learn and take direction.' For example, would you have guessed it meant what elbastardocalvo wrote?

    I do appreciate your help and comments, but what you suggested is offensive and unnecessary. Are you a lawyer or in law school?

    I assume there are better and worse choices for small and large builds, yes? I'm 6' 1" (actually 6' 1.75") and have a large frame. Any thoughts?
     


  6. chimchiminey

    chimchiminey Active Member

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    Avoid true 3 button suits. Embrace slightly wider lapels. Just say no to too-widely spread shirt collars. Braces (suspenders) are your friend. Always double down on 11.
     


  7. CousinDonuts

    CousinDonuts Senior member

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    I did not take your comment to mean "give me the little bits of info and nuances". I took it, quickly I might add, that you broadly asked what does it mean to learn in a job. I really don't want to get into a debate here so I'll just say this. You are an intern. Your goal this summer is to shut up (unless asking questions), listen, do what is asked, and figure out what will create an offer and then be required of you once you are a full-time member of the firm. (so, what elbastardocalvo said). This is the same for any internship in any industry. So my point was if you don't understand that you're there to learn and take direction then I fear whatever basic skills are being taught today at the college level, and job prep at the post-secondary level, are woefully inadequate. Hence, clothes should not be your primary concern, how to approach this internship should.

    On the flipside, your overanalyzing of a handful of words and debating interpretation means you're on the right path for a legal career.



    back to the clothes...brands are all over the place. diffusion lines are different from main lines. one batch of suits could be made in turkey the next in china and you have differences that you don't know til you try on. There really isn't a good "this always fits for the 6'1" guy no matter what" answer. I've personally gravitated towards what fits me best and have bought multiple fabrics from those makers. You just have to take some time and not rush anything, especially for pieces that you'll want to keep for a while. When you buy a suit because you absolutely have to is when you look back months later and say man this was a stupid purchase. We've all done it. To that extent, my original advice was for stuff like ties and shirts you could jump into quicker, because you need them now, and then buy more quality stuff down the road. If you're going to be a desk jockey, you'll blow through the elbows anyway. But shoes, sport coats, and suits you'll wear for 4-6 years a piece. Those are the items that you'll be happier in the long run if you take a little time to educate yourself.

    Pink can be worn with just about anything.
     
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  8. Jester87

    Jester87 Well-Known Member

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    Points taken. So what industry or profession are you in?

    Also, Pink seems like a bad choice for an olive suit; it makes me think of something disgusting.
     


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    Agreed. Stay away from pink and olive. In fact, olive might not be the best color for a summer associate. But if you've got it I suppose it's ok to wear.

    As for shirts in general, I would just figure out your sizing at Charles Tyrwhitt and do their 4 for $199 deal x 2: 4 white, 4 light blue, one blue and white stripe, and one check of some sort. Or do the same at Brooks Brothers.
     


  10. Jester87

    Jester87 Well-Known Member

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    Problem I have with that is spending $400 on shirts that might need to be replaced as early as August.
     


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  12. Fred G. Unn

    Fred G. Unn Senior member

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    Paul Stuart. Never been to their Chicago stores but the NYC store is one of my favorite shops. The actual shop has much, much more than the website.
    http://www.paulstuart.com/shop_men.cfm?MainCatId=14&headermenuid=1

    Fred
     


  13. viator

    viator Senior member

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    But you need shirts now, so you are kind of stuck aren't you? I suggested inexpensive options, and you can have the shirts slimmed down by a tailor when you shed some pounds. You could also buy fewer shirts. I am sure you have some suitable shirts already, so just buy 4-5 new ones and plan on more frequent trips to the cleaners.
     


  14. Jester87

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    Yeah, I start my job in about 3 weeks. I suppose $200 isn't too much to spend on 4 throw away shirts. I do have one white shirt that should still fit me.
     


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    chet31 Senior member

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    Go to JC Penneys, take a look at the Staffords. $20 a pop, you will not find a better quality shirt for under $50.
     


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