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Why does everyone here dislike "high-end" brands?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr Engineer, Aug 22, 2012.

  1. Mr Engineer

    Mr Engineer Senior member

    Jul 29, 2012
    Rhode Island
    I am pretty much new to SF and I have been noticing that a lot of people here dislike "high end" brands such as Ferragamo,Gucci,Louis Vuitton,Burberry,Hermes,etc.

    What's the reason for that? Did some of you guys have bad experiences?
  2. Makoto Chan

    Makoto Chan Senior member

    Oct 10, 2010
    "A lot of people" dislike "high end brands" - well, it's a big forum, so of course many people have different opinions. In general, members are talking about good quality - ie. craftsmanship and good materials - and are not so interested in just a brand name. However, I think a lot of those high-end brands DO have a reputation for quality and you'll see that discussed here.
  3. trum01

    trum01 Senior member

    Aug 28, 2011
    I dont think I've seen a lot of people hate on Hermes. Ferragamo gets some hate for their "Studio" line, but love for almost everything else (shoes/bags/leather etc that is, not talking about clothing).

    Gucci and Burberry - I dont think theres a broad consensus. Lack of quality for the price is a common complaint I think.
  4. Balfour

    Balfour Senior member

    May 27, 2012
    I would prefer to find a specialist craftsman rather than a fashion brand. For example, Sam Hober for ties (www.samhober.com).

    There seems a lot of hate for Ferragamo. I have several of their animal print ties (the very small subdued ones, that one doesn't notice). Many people think they're naff - in my case, this is a personal whimsy (I only have elephant patterns - long story).
  5. Klobber

    Klobber Senior member

    Dec 3, 2010
    San Francisco

    Nearly all people here like high end brands. Within the context of high end brands, it is inevitable that some receive preference over others.

    A large part of Gucci / Armani / Prada hate stems from brand image, diffusion lines, and lack of brand exclusivity. Everyone knows they make good stuff, but with brand whores adorning themselves with douchebaggery, a lot of folks would rather steer clear.

    They do peddle a lot of crap, but there is good stuff in the ranks. Overpriced? Hell yeah, but so are more favored brands like Kiton / Brioni etc...
  6. RDiaz

    RDiaz Senior member

    Nov 12, 2011
    In my case it's a big effort to spend hard earned money on clothing (and if it wasn't one of my biggest hobbies right now I would not spend nearly as much), and if I were to spend €1500 on a suit I'd rather get something made by an artisan than some dubious quality stuff with a designer name slapped on it.
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2012
  7. CYstyle

    CYstyle Senior member

    Jul 18, 2009
    As others have stated a large part of it is bang for buck. High end brands make quality garments, but the markup is too high. You can often find a better fit/constructed garment for less, by opting for other brands/makers.

    Ie a half canvassed Burberry suit by Hickey Freeman retails for easily 1600$ You can find an MTM service to make you a full canvas construction suit for $1k. You get a better suit and you keep $600 for a pair of shoes.

    Also people here tend to enjoy clothing for said fit/construction and are not interested in becoming billboards for high end companies. Designers tend to slap huge splashy logos on everything.

    But Tom Ford for example gets lots of love on the forum.
  8. Frankie22

    Frankie22 Senior member

    Apr 7, 2012
    Yep and that is because the look is unique and the quality is top of the line. People are ok with paying a premium if it is a good product that holds it's value.
  9. Holdfast

    Holdfast Senior member

    Mar 10, 2006
    I have a few Hermes with similar patterns, though I find that people do notice them. Real-life reactions tend to be positive; reactions on SF less so. [​IMG]

    On topic, I'm sure that part of it is reverse snobbery, part of it more typical snobbery, part of it simply wanting to demonstrate they're part of a group with supposedly inside/valuable knowledge, and part of it a genuine appreciation of more traditional manufacturing & styling. It depends on the person expressing the dislike.
    I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine which commentators fall into which categories... [​IMG]
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2012
  10. Renault78law

    Renault78law Senior member

    Jan 29, 2003
    Los Angeles
    I think there is "dislike" for designer brands in general here because most focus on classical dress, where trends are less important. Also, typically, we emphasize quality of contruction over design and cache.
  11. black_umbrella

    black_umbrella Senior member

    May 23, 2010
    I'm voting for the "hiding behind brand" issues. People will post, get reamed, and say "but it's a Gucci* suit!"

    Spending a sh*t ton of money does not excuse a lack of taste.**

    *fill in brand and item of clothing you choose.
    ** Not claiming that I have particularly good taste...

    David Foster Wallace post.
  12. Gorecki

    Gorecki Well-Known Member

    Jun 19, 2012
    In Suits & Sartorial: must be made by some pompous "handcrafted" name to wich there is a false sense of uniqueness and exclusivity (even if anyone else can request the exact same and get it too). otherwise is rubish... now lets hate Hugo Boss a litlle more...

    In SW& D : if it is not Big in \Made in Japan it sucks. period

    flames ahoy....
  13. HughJ

    HughJ Senior member

    Jun 13, 2011
    Brands that offer a fair price to value ratio go over fine here. Diffusion lines and trendy crap (generally) do not.
  14. MRMan

    MRMan Senior member

    May 11, 2012
    In my limited time here I've learned that when it comes to high end brands, there is only one person's opinion that matters:

    Hermes man?
  15. TM79

    TM79 Senior member

    Apr 28, 2010
    I tend to avoid them mostly due to the outrageous mark up although a few brands I'll avoid completely since I don't think their items are well made.
  16. musicguy

    musicguy Senior member

    Oct 1, 2008
    Santiago de Chile
    In my experience:

    Ferragamo clothing is shitty
    Gucci can be fine but sometimes too fashion

    Louis Vuitton good but pricey
    Burberry some good but pricey and some a bit ugly
    Hugo Boss expensive for quality. I like the cuts of some of their items but it's hard to justify the price for me.
    Hermes I don't think anyone dislikes Hermes here for any reason except it's expensive. They make great items and even offer bespoke.

    Most of the 'luxury' brands you're thinking of are just overpriced for the quality in the minds of some users here. You'll find more people hating on fashion brands than luxury brands. I think you'll find lots of love for luxury brands here.

    Brioni, Zegna,Cucinelli etc... they're known to be luxury brands but also have amazing items that are made a cut well.
  17. harryx2

    harryx2 Senior member

    Oct 2, 2006

    Because this sucks!
  18. bourbonbasted

    bourbonbasted Senior member

    Apr 27, 2011
    An appreciation for and understanding of design, construction and materials will always outweigh the mainstream brand whoredom that infects the clueless, easily impressed masses and bastardizes the art of traditional tailoring. Our passion is a dying one. And so it is our responsibility as stewards of taste and connoisseurs of style to foster the growth of sustainable, traditional artistry.

    This is likely the bullshit that some members tell to themselves each and every time they press Submit. In reality many think they know what something should cost. One of the biggest things done here is "separating" marketing from the finished product, and then deducting that perceived mark-up from the price we're willing to pay. So, really, this is just how someone justifies not paying full retail. This justification quickly becomes the standard and from there you create a very narrow set of boundaries for what constitutes quality vs a good deal, etc.

    Why do many hate "high-end" brands? Because we're the cool kids; too cool to do what everyone else is doing. And yet we're the nerds at the same time for obsessing over what 99% of the population is clueless about. It's this internal struggle that keeps us on our tows and forever striving for an answer as to why we spend an obscene amount of money on getting dressed. In that struggle we quickly abandon brands or items because they do not fit into our conception of quality.
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2012
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  19. Hayward

    Hayward Senior member

    Jul 31, 2011
    OP may be confusing "High End" with "conspicuous".

    I try to avoid conspicuously branded clothing because, among other things, I paid for the clothing already, why should I pay the maker again by helping them advertise?
  20. dreamspace

    dreamspace Senior member

    Apr 8, 2012
    What I've observed:

    The standard answer is that the "fashion" brands are far too fashion-forward (no shit?), too expensive at retail, and the quality/price ratio is too low compared to [insert-small-quality-brand] clothings that can be found at extreme sales and steep discounts.

    One thing I find funny though, is the fact that people here love to bitch and moan about price-markups from fashion brands. Hugo Boss is one of the usual suspects around here.

    "It's a good suit for 200$, but no way is it worth 800$, you're basically paying 50% for the name alone! what a scam"
    Meanwhile, the same guys are jacking off to 10k$ boutique suits. "But, but, look at the beautiful button-holes, look at the hand stitching, look at the soft lapel roll"

    Everyone's marking up their prices. Simple as that, and the more customers and exclusive they get, the more the mark-up...simple economy.

    (But just as a closure; People here are very critical and detail obsessed. That's just how it is with most interests, the more experienced you get. Not just clothing...and in many cases, the fashion-label clothes don't add up in the small details, compared to some other makers)

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