Discussion in 'General Chat' started by j, Sep 28, 2004.
I'm far too angry to own a gun; I prefer knives.
LOL. Actually, I used to own a pretty decent sword (traditional Chinese style). Those things can be kept sharp, and should definitely not be stored anywhere there may be children. Once did a demonstration where I essentially applied minimum pressure on the top pumpkin of a stack of pumpkins, and the sword went through the whole stack of pumpkins under its own weight (not more than a few pounds, btw.) I'm sure that that thing could have cut a guy in half reasonably easily. But eventually, I got rid of the thing. I mean, who needs all of this stuff lying around? If I was seriously concerned about home protection, I'd follow the advice to get a bunch of teargas. And if the assailants were tough and prepared enough to carry out their plans regardless, the odds are that my number was up in any case.
ah yes, well, there it is. can't argue with fatalism.
I'm just agreeing with the poster on another thread that if these guys are not deterred by teargas, they are some bad dudes whose motives are probably not simply robbery, rape, and mayhem, and who are probably not your run of the mill criminal but special forces types with the specific intent on killing me. I'm not Steven Segal, more like the guy who gets killed at the beginning of the movie simply to show how evil the villain is, so I probably wouldn't stand much of a chance if this were the case.
People on PCP and other drugs have been known to shake off teargas / pepper spray and continue their attack. They're not well-trained or necessarily well-motivated, they're just in a physical state of near invulnerability. A well-made headshot, however, will stop anyone.
Granted, the level of force should be matched to the level of threat, but if someone's breaking into my house while I'm there, I want the highest level option ready. If I'm on the street somewhere and end up in some confrontation with a single agitated (but physically normal, i.e., not on drugs) individual in which I cannot escape easily, I would feel much better about the pepper spray than blowing the guy away. We all have our bad days and no one deserves to have their life ended over a small injustice, but if it's me or the other guy who gets to survive, I choose me.
j, agree. I think I would aim for the chest though, at least initially. I don't care how many drugs they are on, I think a couple .45 cal hydrashock hollow points better stop them...
i don't know the details, but at some point up the caliber/power ladder, a bullet hit to almost any part of the body will lay someone out, simply from the shock wave. is that what 'hydrashock' is designed to do? also, the chest presents a larger target. not that i've thought much about it.
Well, my instructors have always taught to fire two rapid rounds at the target's center of mass, then a single aimed round slightly higher. With a 45, rounds fired in rapid succession will almost always drift slightly upwards in any case. I think generally if you get hit in the chest with a .45 hydrashock round and you aren't wearing serious body armor, you're in a world of hurt.
Brief interjection into this testosterone-laced conversation:
These are other human beings we're talking about...
Human beings who are trying to cause some harm to a person, while in that person's home.
Generally when someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night they aren't looking to borrow a cup of brown sugar. If it is a situation of me or them, I would rather the injured party be them.
The vast majority of gun deaths in this country are accidental. Usually some poor kid shooting himself with his daddy's gun.
To have one in the house is an invitation for your twelve year old to kill something (probably himself). Idiotic.
And another thing, if someone breaks into your house...
1. it's probably your teenager coming home after curfew, and you will probably shoot her.
2. if it's not, it's probably something equally harmless/innocent, and you're going to shoot it.
3. if you shoot an unarmed burgular in your home at night you will still wind up in prison.
4. using guns to defend your home supports the idea that the toughest guy deserves to win. This supports the idea that criminals already believe.
5. if any of you actually believe that you are more likely to shoot a "bad guy" and less likely to shoot yourself or one of your loved ones, you are sadly mistaken. Statistics don't lie.
I don't think anybody is advocating shooting wildly at any sound. You would investigate, with your firearm low but still ready, and if it turns out that there is a threat, then you shoot, if the threat is not scared off by your presence or your firearm.
Maybe, maybe not. I think this would depend more on what the situation was like, your area, your legal defense, possible prior crimes of the burgler, and so on.
As stated by many other people, proper storage of your guns, and education of your children is key. Teach them not to play with guns, if they see one, go find an adult. Also, it depends on your child. Kids are not as stupid as people make them out to be.
I have no kids and noone lives at my house but me. If anyone is attempting to enter my house at night, they are not doing it with my permission.
If you had read the earlier part of this thread, i mentioned that three separate people had broken into my house/apartment, all armed, and had been confronted by a Target 20 and very bright light. Each of them were more than willing to drop their weapon immediately, rather than find out what "or else" meant.
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