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Who owns a kiton suit on this forum???

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by @riss, Sep 30, 2004.

  1. marc37

    marc37 Senior member

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    Actually for clarification, the reason TomW acted in such a childish manner was to partially enact the same childish retribution regarding two separate ridiculous commentaries by @riss against another member (me) in previous threads.

    Alas, he should not have acted in such manner and should not have lowered himself to @riss level, but what is done is done and there is no reason to continue the same manner of attack / counterattack, less we all get banned from the forum.

    Jon.
     
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    discostu004 Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    i don't have a kiton suit, but i have some blazers, none from the retail level.

    i have a customer who buys a lot of kiton and pays retail. i think it's a combination of:
    1. he can afford it, paying 5K doesn't phase him. he wants it so he gets it
    2. he loves clothes enough that it "makes sense" to buy it
    3. he eats lunch with ciro paone so he's in tight with "the man"
     
  4. TomW

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    Jon is correct. I responded as I did, because of @riss' behaviour is nearly all of his previous posts, especially in his responses to Jon. I now regret reacting, it is not a common thing for me, but it does happen.

    My apologies to all.
     
  5. @riss

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    thanks for the insight. alot of the replies were rather informative. i guess there is an expense/convenience ratio that must be factored in. i always figured that if one has that type of money and cares about clothes to such a degree, he would make that trip across the pond to savile row without blinking. however, i can see the impracticality of that for plenty of people who earn high, but are just really busy and don't demand bespoke.
     
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    There are RTW/MTM/bespoke debates regularly here and on Ask Andy... I think there are valid points on both sides. I personally buy RTW because it fits me very well and I don't feel the need to go bespoke, but others prefer the flexibility and freedom to choose whatever suit features they want. I personally defer to Brioni, Kiton, etc... in these areas.
     
  7. TomW

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    Originally Posted by TomW,30 Sep. 2004, 09:08
    I responded as I did, because of @riss' behaviour is nearly all of his previous posts
    thanks for the insight. alot of the replies were rather informative. i guess there is an expense/convenience ratio that must be factored in. i always figured that if one has that type of money and cares about clothes to such a degree, he would make that trip across the pond to savile row without blinking. however, i can see the impracticality of that for plenty of people who earn high, but are just really busy and don't demand bespoke.
    @riss, Again, I apologize for my outburst. As one who is fortunate to do quite well financially, I have pursued every purchase option known to me - RTW, MTM, and bespoke. All have their advantages and disadvantages. I am not easy to fit, at 6'1" in height, size 44 with a 9-10" drop and a short torso and equally short arms. I've had both good and bad experiences with every method of suit procurement - RTW is always the most challenging as a standard 6" drop just takes too much effort to tailor, MTM offers better fit and more consistently higher standards, and bespoke is rife with opportunities for unpredictable results - both good and bad. I rarely have the time required for Savile Row or Napoli bespoke suits - I've been lucky enough to have business travel to London on the odd occassion that has afforded me the luxury of bespeaking 3 suits in that city - 1 is a bit of a disaster, 1 is quite nice and well fitting, one is superbly tailored. The latter two took significant investments in time and personal attention to the details and making sure I got exactly what I wanted, not the tailor's interpretation (often very wide of the mark) of what he thinks I should have. I've been much more successful in getting suits from makers such as Kiton, Zegna Napoli Couture, and Isaia as well as Oxxford and many others, that are well cut, in a silhouette which allows for the necessary tailoring, readily available at discount (I admit to seriously enjoying the hunt) which give me the quality I'm looking for, without consuming weeks or months of my very limited time. If I should find myself living in close proximity to London or Naples, my habits would very likely change. Regards, Tom
     
  8. kitonbrioni

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    The point about Kiton is their unique fabrics. Unless, one wants some fabric unique to Kiton, there would seem on need to use their bespoke service. As often pointed out, use the fashion sites to find a high quality tailor that is more convient than Napoli. Take some pictures, and work with them to get your desired suit.

    Perhaps, going to NM and trying on Oxxford, Brioni and Kiton and checking out the fabric samples would help to make up ones mind.
     
  9. Mach

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    I don't own any Kiton suits. However, I do have one Brioni MTM suit. I would not want to purchase one at $5,000 when I can get two Darren Beaman bespoke suits for the same price. Since Darren comes to Washington DC every few months, there is really no extra cost for me. The only requirement is patience; this process is not as quick as a Kiton MTM suit. For a quicker turnaround and slightly more cash ($3,000), you can get a bespoke suit from Raphael.

    Bespoke provides an advantage over MTM in that I can truly personalized my suits. I have not had the best luck dealing with these so-called "high end" retailers. They tend to want to make your suit according to their preferences. For example, Louis Boston likes suits with narrow lapels. They were unrelenting. So, they lost a sales opportunity.

    But, in the end, it's truly up to your preferences. Based on my experiences with Darren to date, I will probably never go back to MTM. And because of Marc39 and Kia's recommendation for Raphael, he will probably be making my next bespoke suit.

    Mark
     

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