+1 thanks un, excellent example. no hate, but, while that may be a nice side thread, i do not think it should supplant this one, or that this one should shift in that direction. 1. i find it doubtful a thread like that could have any real longevity with only a half dozen posters. they will get bored, tired, and run out of things to post. 2. it is very hard, for me anyways, to learn only by seeing success, and trying to copy it, or do it on my own. i find the trial and error with earnest and clear criticism to work better for me. just my opinion.