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whnay.'s good taste thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. Wallcloud

    Wallcloud Well-Known Member

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    I am curious if a suit like this can be in good taste. Unfortunately my closet has plenty of these type of things. I could wish I had fewer "interesting" clothes and more staples. Ah we'll, lesson learned. Shirt is ecru.

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  2. patrickBOOTH

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    I think it would if the scale was larger and fainter. So, in other words, no.
     
  3. Manton

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    Not liking that at all, Wallcloud.

    Really, for me it fails at every level.
     
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  4. Big Texas

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    Sure. All of which takes this back to Manton's original point, pre-philosophical-divergence, which is that a) there are degrees of coherence and success in the application of taste, and therefore, b) there is such a thing as "good" taste (and its converse, "bad" taste). This holds true whether we choose to define taste as some sort of absolute standard, or as a relative standard, or as an objective standard or a subjective one.

    For the sake of argument, let's define "taste" as a set of aesthetic beliefs and principles that one has developed over time (this is a subjective standard). Now, let's say that this person's taste is either "good" or "not good" to the extent to which it fulfills or defies the set of conventions, standards, and aesthetic values of its given context (setting, time, place, culture, and observers under guidance of such). This makes taste a subjective/absolute standard qualified by subjective/relative judgment.

    Now, we'll notice that this function doesn't include the factor of any sort of objective/absolute standard, i.e., universal and timeless principles of aesthetic harmony. These may or may not exist w/r/t the domain of clothing, but regardless, we can operate without them, as the strength of our given contextual standards (and our collective acceptance or rejection thereof) serves as a de facto stand-in for universal principles.

    This thread has fluctuates in and out of debate and chaos precisely because such a consensus on contextual principles doesn't seem to exist on SF, or at least on the SF of today. It may have at one point. Or maybe it still does, but it is not a complete and all-category-encompassing consensus. We're not quite in the realm of zero-consensus, in which the relativist/subjective "Whatever works for you!" argument holds water. But we're not fully in the realm of firm consensus, in which we can speak of hard and fast aesthetic guidelines. I'd argue that SF is closer to the latter than to the former, however, and as such, Manton's exercises with threads like this one can be seen as an attempts to push things even further toward such a point.
     
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  5. acridsheep

    acridsheep Well-Known Member

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    I too believe Neitzsche, Descartes, Plato and Socrates all had men's clothing in mind when conducting their work. Euripedes, on the other hand, was a graphic tee shirt guy.
     
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  6. apropos

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    Wallcloud, no.
     
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  7. in stitches

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    i am a fran of blue on blue. JP, you are all win in this thread as far as i am concerned.
     
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  8. Wallcloud

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    Thanks for the feedback guys. Had this thing made years ago. Good thing I have an appointment with WW Chan coming up.
     
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    Stitch, that jacket is quite flattering on you. Tie is super cuddly.

    I still think you would benefit from a slightly larger trouser hem, and a more relaxed stance (i.e. not bending your legs back and relaxing your arms).
     
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  11. Wallcloud

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    Stitch, looks nice. I especially like some of the accessories on your deck. I can tell we are at a similar life stage.
     
  12. JPHardy

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    Thank you, that is very kind.

    I credit this essential style book.

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  13. Big Texas

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    Stitchie, looking good. That outfit sort of cries out for tobacco suede shoes, IMO, but perhaps that would push things just a little bit over the boundary of good taste and into hipster/twee territory (especially given your luxurious beard). Not sure.
     
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    As a practical matter, judgements of good taste are made in this thread based on a number of ad-hoc ill-defined rules (axioms) of good taste. I suppose a group of wise men (DH's) could formulate a set of rules that govern most (but, as Godel proved in mathematics, not all) questions of good taste. But these axioms would invariably be subjective, tied to convention and controverfsial.

    What I find more interesting is that Manton apparently believes (if I am reading him correctly), that good taste generally, and good taste with regard to clothing in particular, is based on a permenant aesthetic that transcends convention. I don't believe he has indicated why he believes this, whether good taste in this sense is knowable and, if so, whether his knowledge in this regard plays a part in his good taste judgements about clothing.
     
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    I like all of them... but the SC is the shit! [​IMG]
     
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    Hahahahaha! [​IMG]
     
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    I like that SC a lot. I don't really like the light tie against it, and I really like the chocolate grenadine against it.
     
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    The gray wool is definitely the worst of the bunch IMHO. But the colors are also probably off a bit because that doesn't look like a bitter chocolate grenadine. But as pictured, that tie "heats up" the fit too much. I like the top one in dark navy the best.
     
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  19. unbelragazzo

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    I can't say I've ever seen an outfit that to me was "crying out for tobacco suede shoes." (you're welcome, emptym). Stitch - I know I've said this to you before, so sorry to repeat again, but you really are in urgent need of pants with bigger leg openings IMHO. I like the colors and textures in the tie/shirt/SC though.
     
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  20. Mr. Moo

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    Yes, the stage of leasing your home back from your children. :fu:
     

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