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whnay.'s good taste thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    That's kind of a strange question, though I appreciate how it fits into this thread. If you are referring to VictorSF's shoes, then, in my opinion, they are a good illustration of how wearing something "just because" contributes to the #menswear/pitti/more cowbell look. I don't like it. But it is not like you will be sent to jail for wearing it. It just looks like you are trying to be fashionable, which is no crime (except on this thread).



    I am sure you can tell I am trying hard not to say "No, they aren't tasteful." I am sure there is a casual look in which they don't look contrived, but I can't think of it and, in any event, it is hard to get around the fundamental pointlessness of the design.
     
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  2. Loathing

    Loathing Senior member

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    My dubmunx are on dainite and I wear them casually. I'd agree they're a touch Pitti with a suit.
     
  3. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I had a dainite soled pair as well - in brown scotch grain. I wore them with khakis or jeans, but eventually gave them away. They always looked better on the shelf than on the ground.
     
  4. bboysdontcryy

    bboysdontcryy Senior member

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    I was unfortunate enough to buy a pair in black in 2010 and given the style, I can't wear them with formal suits, neither can I wear them casually, given the colour. Alas, they're expensive, still in a box at home, and unworn. They do look gorgeous, but not on my feet.

    Maybe I should give them away.

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  5. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    :( I've done plenty of things like that. Better to give them away and move on. Or hide them away in a closet and see what you think about them in five or six years. They do look nicely made.
     
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    I don't really like monks either, but if it'll give you peace of mind I guess you can send them to me...
     
  7. FlaneurNYC

    FlaneurNYC Senior member

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    If you've been wearing double monks since before #menswear was a thing, do you get a pass?
     
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    I'm not a fan. But unlike Dopey, I'm not struck by their informality. I just realise that I happen to not like them.
     
  9. bboysdontcryy

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    I doubt you'd fit them. I wear a UK 6.5.
     
  10. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I am not sure I said that. I think I said the design is pointless and the look contrived and unnecessarily flash. My dainite, scotch grain ones were kind of informal, though.
     
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  11. Victor Elfo

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    In that case, may I say that they'll fit me?
     
  12. bboysdontcryy

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    There is indeed smth about double monks that makes them look ... nouveau riche in the style sense -- like one is trying too hard to be 'trendy'. It's worse when I see them with tight/slim trousers.

    That's me trying to rationalize something as subjective as taste. Here's a more straightforward reply: Damn, they just don't look that nice when worn.
     
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  13. FlaneurNYC

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    ^ I guess that means I've been "trendy" since 1998 when I bought my Williams. Thing is, I didn't see many other pairs in the US until ten years later.

    I understand the backlash, but I still like mine.
     
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  14. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    indeed, it is a great look.


    yes yes, but they are cool. ;)
     
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  15. bboysdontcryy

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    You might have a point -- reminds me of what happened with Burberry. For those who do not know -- Burberry (monkstrap) was once the reserve of the well-dressed, until what in England, people called 'chavs' began to sport them everywhere, and wore shirts with the ubiquitous plaids (monkstrap). They were soon synonymous with the 'chavs' and people began to distance themselves from the brand (monkstrap). I think they had a whole re-branding exercise. Smth similar (but on a smaller scale) happened to Barbour.

    Article here --

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4381140.stm

    http://www.economist.com/node/17963363

    'By the early 2000s the company's distinctive camel-coloured check had become the uniform of the “chav”, the stereotypical white working-class delinquent looking for trouble. Bouncers and taxi drivers learned to turn away young men sporting Burberry baseball caps and jackets. When Daniella Westbrook, a soap actress, was photographed with the Burberry check adorning herself, her daughter and her pushchair, the brand's elite reputation seemed to be lost'
     
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    I have a pair of captoe double monks, JL Derwent in brown buffalo calf, that I like a lot. It is the most versatile shoe I own and great for travelling. The monkstrap gives more support than loafers. Loafers just don't fit me well and I don't own any.
     
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  17. ColdEyedPugilist

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    SF does not like dub munx = I am wearing mine tomorrow :slayer:
     
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  18. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think upr_crust has some black double monks that look alright. Though I could be misremembering.
     
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    I see this argument being used often, but is it so?
    Really, I do not see them as a versatile shoe. They're, in my opinion, too contrived with suits, no matter how casual is the suit, and hence they're not that versatile. However, a single monk is quite the opposite, too sleek to be worn without a tailored jacket.
    When I try to conceive a truly versatile shoe no configuration seems to fit the bill. Any ideas?
     
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  20. Hayward

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    Is Barbour following in this? I'm starting to hear this. God Forbid.
     

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