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When you cant button your shirts all the way.

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Omnes, Dec 8, 2013.

  1. Omnes

    Omnes Member

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    Dear Styleforum.

    Ive been having the issue of not being able to button my top button on any shirts, both formal and casual. This has been annoying, as I use shirts a lot in my work as an opera singer, but I have managed so far by just hiding it under the knot of my tie, or bow tie. As my recent performances has gotten reasonably sizable, I would like to get this right as Its a somewhat important aspect of the job.

    Im slim, fit- and I very often fit perfectly in small-medium shirts, (everything but the neck that is. )-(Im 19.)

    How usual is this problem? Is the solution Im looking for a tailor? If so, what should I know before using one for the first time,

    Sincerely,
    Tobias [​IMG]
     
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  2. YRR92

    YRR92 Senior member

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    Dress shirts come in neck-and-sleeve sizes (15-33, 16.5-32). If you buy the right size in an actual dress shirt (not an alpha-sized shirt designed to save retailers money at the expense of proper fit) then your problems are solved. If you have a neck which is large relative to your body, you might want to look at shirts in a slim fit.
     
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  3. GBR

    GBR Senior member

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    Only for those who buy shorts that are too small for them.

    Whilst you may like to kid yourself that "Im slim, fit- and I very often fit perfectly in small-medium shirts, (everything but the neck that is. )-(Im 19.)" is correct, it patently is not, they do not fit your neck so why buy them?
     
  4. jorgesei

    jorgesei New Member

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    Tobias, I understand you probably don't have en easy access to neck-sleeve sized shirts. You can try TM Lewin online shop or any other english shirt maker. It's easy and unexpensive.
    Even better would be finding a local made to measure shirt maker.
     
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  5. Ich_Dien

    Ich_Dien Senior member

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    Get a shirt that fits in the neck first and as close as you can in the body - then have it altered by a tailor in the body.
     
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  6. Omnes

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    Thank you for your reply! I will make sure to check out the site you gave me, youre right- I actually never seen a shirt sold with differing size except the usual industry overall size of the garment. Perhaps Im looking in all the wrong places.
     
  7. Omnes

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    Easy. Because I have been in need of shirts, but I have not found shirts that fit my neck size though small-medium shirts often fit the rest of my body well. Im looking to improve on this, and that is why Im here to ask of your expertise, which you´re obviously not interested in lending.
     
  8. VinnyMac

    VinnyMac Senior member

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    Buy a shirt with a larger neck measurement. You can have the body slimmed by a tailor.These types of hit or miss issues are why I stopped buying ready-to-wear dress shirts. When the alterations are done, you'll probably have paid the same amount that you would for a made-to-measure dress shirt.
     
  9. Shirtmaven

    Shirtmaven Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I have had experience making shirts for singers form the metropolitan opera.
    not only are there necks larger then average.
    there necks tend to expand during a performance.

    for casual shirts where you do not wear a tie.
    just buy what fits your body. .

    for shirts to be worn with a tie.

    try them on in the shop. make sure you have at least a couple of fingers worth of room.
    this is before the shirt has been washed.... it will shrink in the collar.

    the only problem is that if you are fitting your neck, no matter how slim the company says the shirt is, it will still be too large in the body.
    You are best having shirts made.
    there are many online shirt companies that will make a shirt with your measurements(cringe)
    but best having someone measure you properly
     
  10. Omnes

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    Thank you! The take on my throat expanding during performance was very usefull, I never took that in to consideration!
     
  11. ImTheGroom

    ImTheGroom Senior member

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    Sing in the shop. Draw an audience. Meet ladies.
     
  12. GBR

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    Buy a bigger size and have them altered. Do I need to spell that out?
     
  13. Carli

    Carli Active Member

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    I have been working with fashion critics for 3 years now and found that more than 80% people have issues with OTR shirts. I would suggest you to go for MTM shirts. You can try using any online brand delivering worldwide some are expensive ones like BB and some are very affordable like Natty and CT as this is the best solution for your problem. Believe me Online buying is not tough but fun shopping if you know what you want.
     
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  14. Shirtmaven

    Shirtmaven Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    you said
    Only for those who buy shorts that are too small for them.

    Whilst you may like to kid yourself that "Im slim, fit- and I very often fit perfectly in small-medium shirts, (everything but the neck that is. )-(Im 19.)" is correct, it patently is not, they do not fit your neck so why buy them?

    so no GBR you did not spell that out!!!

    GBR why do you never offer positive/constructive criticism?
    You are so unhappy. I think you aren't getting enough at home!

    Omnes
    if you are singing professionally, then have your self measured by someone professional.
    online ordering is very hit or miss. I have seen online ordered shirts, where the customer thinks the fit is good.
    the fit maybe better then what they usually get from OTR, but not without needed fit corrections.

    the quality on some of the online shirts varies from Good to embarrassingly bad.
     
  15. Omnes

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    Quote:Thank you for good advise, both to me and to GBR.
     
  16. GBR

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    Your clairvoyant skills are non-existent. If something does not fit in the fashion described then clearly it is too small and a bigger one is needed. I really cannot think why the OP needs to ask. The solutions to basic issue is surely obvious?

    Further advice, get shirts made and charge them to tax as a cost of your employment.
     
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  17. Shirtmaven

    Shirtmaven Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    you forget that many of the new members do not have your years of expertise in wearing clothing.
    You have more skill in putting on your trousers and buttoning up your shirt.
    I bet you could tie a perfectly dimpled tie knot in the dark.

    if the OP could have a made better search of older threads and found the information he was looking for.
    but he did not find his answer.

    he wrote out a well thought out post and expected appropriate answers.
    which he received from everyone but you!

    I await the day that you actually give constructive advise.

    He might be able to write off the shirts for tax purposes, but then legally he can only wear them when he is working.
    I do not know the Scandinavian tax codes. but you might
     

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