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When are Brown Ties Okay?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mensimageconsultant, Mar 17, 2013.

  1. mensimageconsultant

    mensimageconsultant Senior member

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    Nope :) They're less versatile than blue, gray, and red, as well as many multi-stripes. Also, brown ties still seem uncommon as actually worn by people (which albeit could be misleading due to the relatively private nature of offices). Maybe that is slowly changing. There's also an issue which nobody mentioned - the effect and appeal of color, such that some people might not look good in brown (depending on the shade) or prefer louder (overly loud?) colors.
     
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    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    In a suit context, they're less versatile than gray. In an odd jacket/trouser context, I'd argue they're more versatile than gray.
     
  3. mensimageconsultant

    mensimageconsultant Senior member

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    Maybe. For daytime, non-wedding wear, brown certainly can look as good as gray.
     
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    rohde88 Senior member

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    This thread makes me want a knit brown tie
     
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    topos Senior member

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    I'm inclined to agree with this (well, the second half) from experience almost exclusively wearing odd jackets/trousers. Especially with a blue jacket I find myself reaching for a brown tie over every other most of the time.
     
  6. Gerry Nelson

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    Somehow I didn't think you be convinced [​IMG] Out of interest, though, would anything have convinced you otherwise?
    Similarly, based on the utility I get out of brown ties (i.e. how many of my own suits and sports coats I can wear them with - pretty), I remain convinced [​IMG]
     
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    Brown neats are great with suits.
    Brown linen is great in the summer.
    Brown wool is great in the winter.
    Chocolate brown grenadines are great with casual suits.
    Chocolate brown knits are great with odd jackets.

    Brown is actually quite closely related to the red/orange spectrum, so it's useable in any number of equivalent ways to red/orange. Which makes it just about as useable as they come.
     
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    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I don't understand. Was there ever some rule that brown ties aren't okay? I like them a lot with blue and grey suits.
     
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  10. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    If there was, I didn't get the memo. Then again, no one ever sends me memos.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I suppose they are just about outside the comfort zone of Average Joe. But then again good old AJ is trapped almost entirely within the blue/red binary when it comes to ties.
     
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    It's a crappy picture, but I've got one on today.

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    +1
     
  14. mensimageconsultant

    mensimageconsultant Senior member

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    Surely this is related to "No brown in town." If anyone can show that historically brown ties were exempt from that....
     
  15. Gerry Nelson

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    Point 4 in http://www.cutterandtailor.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2542 covers the historical aspect but what does this have to do with versatility? This has also been quoted with respect to shoes but again, is not a hard and fast rule.

    Your argument was that brown ties were versatile in theory but not in reality.

    The responses here have shown otherwise.
     
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  16. mensimageconsultant

    mensimageconsultant Senior member

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    (the sigh of duplication)
     
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  17. mensimageconsultant

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    Versatility of course takes into account dress codes. The chart is from an unspectacular clothing retailer, so (even accounting for the likelihood that "No brown in town" is exaggerated) it has little credibility re dressy standards. By the way, regardless of dress code, some of the color-coordination on that chart is dubious.
     
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    I would disagree. I really dislike tone on tone for most situations, at least without a strong difference in shade. So I don't wear gray ties with gray suits or navy ties with navy suits much at all- but I'll wear brown with both gray and navy. Which makes them more versatile. I don't have a brown suit, and neither do most others, but I wouldn't wear them with that. Red is easily the most versatile tie color, but brown is, IMO, ahead of at least gray. I'd put it on par with navy, since while I try to avoid it, navy against navy is generally fine when I see other people wearing it.

    As for formality, I've worn a brown tie to an interview, (navy suit and black shoes, blue shirt). Got the job. Wear the right one, and it comes off as just another nice, subdued, tie. The no brown in town crap is way exaggerated, at least as it pertains to the US. London is a bit of a different matter, and I'm not convinced it really allies to neckwear much anyway, since it allows for such expression and variety. I chalk brown ties not being common in normal life up to the same thing I chalk green, orange and purple ties not being common in everything to: People are, generally, boring. People who don't care about dressing cover a range of the most common colors and leave it at that.
     
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    I wanted to say that I'm really enjoying this discussion - very civil and no name calling. Thanks for kicking it off!

    Ok, with regard to your point, I can see what you're saying but that chart was just a counter-example to the premise that "no brown in town" is a hard and fast universal rule. This is the part I think is interesting:

    Quote: Out of interest, have you found anything to contradict this?

    A question for you: do you find brown ties to be "not as versatile" with regard to colour matching or in a contextual sense?
     
  20. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Preaching to the choir as far as my personal taste is concerned; my favorite suit combination involves a gray suit, blue shirt, and brown tie.

    But as I wear a suit maybe twice a month, as opposed too odd jackets/trou 4-5 times a week, I tried to account for the fact that I perhaps overestimate the expected conservativeness of a suit.
     

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