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What's THE most affordable/cheap and decent looking cap-toe oxfords?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by dreamspace, Nov 12, 2012.

  1. Semi Fly

    Semi Fly Active Member

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    This is exactly the type of advise I was looking for. Thank you.

    Unfortunately, the width won't work for me. There is another pair of used PA's in B&S that I am considering. My main concern is if these shoes "mold" to the wearer's feet.


    • "Goodyear welt construction allows leather to mold to the foot shape over time to create custom fit" granted that's for the Melton, but I don't want to step into a shoe that's conformed to someone else's foot shape.


    This forum makes me hate being poor.

    I can't speak for dreamspace, but this would not be my go-to shoe for occasions that don't require them. To boot, I prefer brown dress shoes.
     
  2. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Sounds like you were looking for confirmation more than advice; regardless, I'm happy to confirm what you already felt.

    If this was your last year of college, I'd of probably pushed you towards AE...at that point in your life, shoes should be purchased with a slightly more long term horizon, even if that means spending more than you can justify. At this point, it seems like that isn't necessary.

    You do need shoes with leather soles. You don't need them enough to justify spending more than 120 odd dollars for them.

    Again, you'll need to take good care of these if you want them to look good throughout the few occasions that you do need them, otherwise you defeat the purpose of getting shoes with a leather sole. That's going to mean shoe cream and shoe trees (given your budget, plastic trees are available, but I strongly recommend cedar). I think even if you don't wear them, you'll need to apply the cream to them once a month or so to keep the leather in good shape (especially since the leather won't be top quality).

    J&M shoes are extremely comfortable for me. I prefer AE, but if I see a pair that I like at a good price, I will generally pick them up, even in the knowledge that they won't last a fifth as long as any of my AE's.
     
  3. dreamspace

    dreamspace Senior member

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    As I wrote in the OP, the shoes were not for me. How often, and what type of footwear people like to wear, is completely up to them.
    (But FWIW, the guy is 20 years old and doesn't give two shits about clothes or style. What can you do.)
     
  4. Semi Fly

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    I must admit you kinda got me with the confirmation/advice thing. I am pretty much set with the J&Ms and am not planning to spend more than $150. (I am still weighing the pros and cons of buying used, but prefer not to.) My original post, though, wasn't asking for advice. I was curious why members were recommending a $50 Bass over a $100 J&M that had stitched leather soles. Did they think that lowly of J&M to lump it in the same category? It's almost like someone recommending a cheap poly suit over a cheap wool suit because it's fused. At least that's the way I see it.

    I will definitely follow your recommendation on proper care. Thank again. I'm gonna let this thread die now.
     
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  5. HughJ

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    + 1. No matter how I feel about the value of J&M shoes, I couldn't suggest rubber soled shoes as a persons one and only dress shoe.
     
  6. khe86

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    The guy is in college and doesn't wear dress shoes often, he doesn't want to spend $250-300 for AE, so leave him alone. No need for nasty posts. Maybe he's studying at a small college where the entire town (students, professors, college staff, residents, combined) total less than 8000 where dressing down, rather than dressing up, is the norm. And after double sessions of practice + lifting on a daily basis, this guy prefers boat shoes or sneakers for some extra comfort. This was exactly my situation back in school and I only wore dress shoes during my summer internships.

    The J&M is better but at $107, you are not far away from an AE Park/Fifth Avenue seconds in terms of price. In my most recent email to the AE shoebank, they had Brooks Fifth Avenue 2nds at $199. I imagine at various sales opportunities (Christmas is a possibility), these 2nds could drop to $150 or maybe even lower. And check various clearance sites, like 6pm, which have pretty good shoes at huge markdowns once in a while.
     
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  7. NORE

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    The higher quality shoe you wear the higher quality poon you will have access to. If this doesn't motivate the OP & his friend, nothing will.
     
  8. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Senior member

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    This.
     
  9. dreamspace

    dreamspace Senior member

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    Also, a pair of new AE Park Avenues will cost you between 600$-700$ over here in Norway. Everything is expensive, especially imported clothes and shoes.
     
  10. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    In the same boat :(
     
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    How come? I know it is worth it because Norway has a high standard of living and is the country America aspires to be, so paying a bit more for your AE's isn't a bad thing from this perspective.
     
  12. NORE

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    There really should be laws against this. How much is a pair of Edward Greens? Or Vass? Or Lobb?

    For 6-7 cash you guys should be uberballin over there.
     
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  13. Semi Fly

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    Does that mean you international guys suffer from lower quality poon? [​IMG]
     
  14. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I know AE's a marked up by about $150 here. Alden's by $300 or more. Church's are also around $300. Don't know about Scandinavia, but I suspect in both places it's a combination of import duties and "because they can"
     
  15. VinnyMac

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    Wow. How much do you pay in shipping when you buy from places like Amazon?
     
  16. Claghorn

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    50 bucks....but then we have to pay 15% import duty on anything over 150 dollars. Even still, it ends up being cheaper, and there is a good chance that if you have a foreign sounding name, customs doesn't bother with the import duties (they are a bitch to collect on their part).

    Amazon doesn't ship most things here (books, yes...but books can be had here for cheaper) because of agreements made with producers; I don't know about Amazon sellers though. I do buy a lot off eBay...and I've probably spent at least two thousand dollars on shipping in the last two years. And I've probably still saved a lot of money doing it.
     
  17. Caustic Man

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    Not to derail or anything but... No... Just no.
     
  18. MyOtherLife

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    I ring in late on this and apparently a purchase was already made. Perhaps one reason he only wears dress shoes 4-5 times a year is because it takes several months between wearings for him to recover from the trauma caused by wearing inferior shoes. Perhaps a subscription to GQ or Details magazine will introduce him to a better world. Or better yet, bring him here if you can.
     
  19. Caustic Man

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    I wouldn't count on GQ or Details for that. lol
     

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