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What's the appeal of the wings/horns x dayton service boots

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Astronaut888, Jan 5, 2010.

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  1. ss10guy3

    ss10guy3 Senior member

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    They mix the best part of JV with the best part of Alden. What's not to love? (Oh yeah--the price)
     
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    there's better-made shoes/boots out there for that price, but I haven't seen much in terms of the overall look the service boots have. depends on what you like more!
     
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    Its kind of a joke when you find out the manufacturer was selling them directly, undistressed, for like 250 or so. I believe they were extras or something but it goes to show the comical markup and hype people tell themselves and others to justify what is admittedly a badass pair of boots. 700 though...
     
  4. chronoaug

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    They also made the boots specially for w&h and then w&h does their own process to it, then you have standard retail markup. I don't think you understand how clothing retail works. Everyone dips their hands in and take a little bit out. I doubt w&h is making a ton of profit from those boots. Probably cost the retailers like farinellis/stel's at least $400 to bring into the store.

    I guarantee you it doesn't cost $450 for Alden to make their boots. Probably under $200. Does that mean Alden's are overpriced? Of course not. That's just how this stuff works. Companies gotta pay for materials, labor, marketing, advertising, executives, creative people, accountants, etc... then the distributors and middle men have to to make some money, then the stores themselves need to pay for employees, some built in money considering how much they lose in sales/theft, rent/bills, advertising and more. The fact that this is a collab means now dayton is involved in getting their own cut from these boots. Collabs almost always cost more if you've noticed.

    I don't understand this thing where people expect to get goods at cost as if they're making it themselves. That's not how this shit works. Hell, jcrew shirts at $40 on sale probably cost $5 to make or something. Is jcrew on sale ripping people off or overpriced?


    A lot of clothing purchases is just if the payoff of intangible benefits outweigh the cost to the buyer. Fashion/clothing/style isn't just about finding the highest priced leather or cloth for the price. If you want to look like KitonBrioni by all means go for it
     
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    Stel's will actually have them for a little under $700.00. I'm waiting to see how the brown run looks this season before I make a final decision about the retail. My guess is that they will be at $670-$680.
     
  6. Brinbro

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    My man all you have to say is, of course they're overpriced, rather than act all butt-hurt. I don't agree with W+H pushing so much of the cost of boots they don't even make onto customers and then a lil more for tying them into a ball and dropping them into water. This is why ill buy a different pair of boots despite loving the shape and shaft height. That and F+B makes a better and more affordable pair anyway.
     
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    Its kind of a joke when you find out the manufacturer was selling them directly, undistressed, for like 250 or so. I believe they were extras or something but it goes to show the comical markup and hype people tell themselves and others to justify what is admittedly a badass pair of boots. 700 though...

    You can get a service boot like pair from Dayton but it is way more than 250, most of their boots sell between $375-$500 CAD, and with the .95 CAD exchange rate thats about how much it is for Americans anyway. I am pretty they also sourced in specific materials for the collab. boots as the black nubuck and probably the various shades of brown are also not readily available from Dayton for their regular models. Going from $400-$700 really isn't that comical of a makeup for a limited edition item that is made with exclusive materials. If it was THAT comical then they wouldn't be selling out as quickly as they are.
     
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    My man all you have to say is, of course they're overpriced, rather than act all butt-hurt. I don't agree with W+H pushing so much of the cost of boots they don't even make onto customers and then a lil more for tying them into a ball and dropping them into water. This is why ill buy a different pair of boots despite loving the shape and shaft height. That and F+B makes a better and more affordable pair anyway.

    HUH? What boot are you speaking of? If you mean "better" in terms of quality, F+B can't hold a candle to Dayton. Fiorentini is decent, but their boots aren't particularly rugged or well constructed. They deliver ok in the fashion market, but even Butteros are of higher quality construction.
     
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    Okay, thanks for your opinion. Since I didn't say they're better 'constructed' (a term that is thrown around here all too often in non-quantifiable and often irrelevant ways) I appreciate your contribution to this discussion.

    In case you're not aware the W+H boot is certainly as much a 'fashion' boot than anything F+B makes, maybe even more so. Oh but wait, I forget all the dudes buying their new 'rugged' and 'outdoor' W+H boots to go work construction and maybe lay some concrete or chop a few trees down - yeah fucking right. Shit the other day my buddy just walked right out of this F+B boots since the sole unstitched itself and the leather disintegrated. What shoddy 'construction'!

    And the boot I speak of specifically is the 745 from F+B - it comes in four or so finishes with great leather and I believe is assembled in Italy. Pretty great considering you can get it for around $400 or on sale for around $300 if you hunt. I consider that a much better boot (in case you didn't realize, this is opinion, so relax).
     
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    Its kind of a joke when you find out the manufacturer was selling them directly, undistressed, for like 250 or so. I believe they were extras or something but it goes to show the comical markup and hype people tell themselves and others to justify what is admittedly a badass pair of boots. 700 though...
    I tried that route first myself, I talked to dayton co. a shitload of times and the same pair of boots, sans distressing/soaking, will run you $400 +ship & tax, they have some cheaper boots that are kinda similar but not the same (vivram soles, buckle strap across laces, suede, etc). I also own f+b boots and no way I would put them in the same league as the w+hxd imho.
     
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    lol. itt. people learn that details do matter and it's not as easy finding cheap replicas as they think. Also, oxnard makes me miss the days of the US$ killing the CAD [​IMG]
     
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    So is there anybody out there that got a pair from Dayton?! How was the process cause they aren't on their website.
     
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    Those days seem like they never happened now.

    Cansty, I know this too. What's with people speaking as if their only encounter with a brand or interaction is the one and only fact? They were going for $239, same boot as the W+H just not distressed. And who says they want a cheap replica? I just don't want to buy a boot where two companies are trying to take a dip out of a well that I dug in effect doubling the price. '

    If you want some really funny evidence of the Wings+Horns boot hype/circle-jerk go here: http://www.styleforum.net/showthread...54#post2753254 to see these boots called 'REALLY ugly' amongst other things. Fucking gold.
     
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    Whatever, only each person can decide if a product is "worth" the money. What does that even mean? Some people will pay $4000.00 for a Kiton or Brioni suit. Is it worth the price? Sure, if you'll wear it and enjoy it. But all the hand work that goes in to those suits means nothing if you don't feel good in it.

    Is Dior worth the price? It's a $1700.00 suit. That's a lot for many people. But still they'll pay for it because to them it's worth it whether there's any hand work in it or not.

    So, buy what you like. Getting bogged down with technical details makes no sense sometimes, because really determining if a product is worth the price is a tricky business. And in the end, it's all about if you are happy with what you got. At least that's my opinion.
     
  15. canstyleace

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    ^ So true....

    Brinbro, just stating my personal exp, maybe you got a different quote, thats cool, not saying you lying or anything, just saying I didnt see that value in saving 2 bills for something that wasnt going to be the same as I really wanted, and after dayton sent me pics of them I realized they also didnt look nearly as nice as the legit collab ones.

    Believe me man, Im a no-bs kind of guy and even though I really dont have a spending limit, I pride myself in always getting the best deal I can for what I want, and I was really into getting these cheaper but again to me there was no alternative that really matched or top them imo, thats not to say they're not overpriced @retail, but everyone has their own price/quality point in mind.
     
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    lol.

    itt. people learn that details do matter and it's not as easy finding cheap replicas as they think.


    Also, oxnard makes me miss the days of the US$ killing the CAD [​IMG]


    I feel like I will be telling my grand kids about the crazy days of SNES and the USD being worth two CADs, those days are long gone now.
    Brinbro I realize what your getting at with the picture of the regular Dayton boots but that really just supports the fact that they are made of completely different materials. I think there are enough differences to warrant an exclusion of comparisons here, it is two completely different products. Also Dayton boots have goodyear welts which Fiorentini + Baker boots do not, which is a small detail yes but it can have a great impact on the long-term durability of the shoe. Don't get me wrong F+B makes wonderful footwear too but there are more than enough small details and differences between the two brands (and any other brand mentioned here).
    When you have such greatly varied and different products it really doesn't make sense to try and make such disparaging comparisons of value and worth.
    [​IMG]
     
  17. AR_Six

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    itt. people learn that details do matter and it's not as easy finding cheap replicas as they think.
    Have definitely noticed lately people talking as if something somewhat similar is "pretty much the same" and thus can be readily substituted for what happens to be a more expensive version of said item.
     
  18. Stylin-1

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    Okay, thanks for your opinion. Since I didn't say they're better 'constructed' (a term that is thrown around here all too often in non-quantifiable and often irrelevant ways) I appreciate your contribution to this discussion.

    In case you're not aware the W+H boot is certainly as much a 'fashion' boot than anything F+B makes, maybe even more so. Oh but wait, I forget all the dudes buying their new 'rugged' and 'outdoor' W+H boots to go work construction and maybe lay some concrete or chop a few trees down - yeah fucking right. Shit the other day my buddy just walked right out of this F+B boots since the sole unstitched itself and the leather disintegrated. What shoddy 'construction'!

    And the boot I speak of specifically is the 745 from F+B - it comes in four or so finishes with great leather and I believe is assembled in Italy. Pretty great considering you can get it for around $400 or on sale for around $300 if you hunt. I consider that a much better boot (in case you didn't realize, this is opinion, so relax).


    Seems like you're the only one in this thread who needs to "relax". What's with the attitude?

    Actually, I ordered the 745 from gimmeshoes and back it went. Cool enough looking boot, but the leather was paper thin and the welting left much to be desired. Overall, the boot just didn't feel all that substantial. They reminded me of the "Made in Mexico" Fryes. I showed them to my cobbler and he wasn't impressed. Nice for walking around town, but I would not put the same faith in them that I have in Frye USA, Buttero, NDC, Red Wing etc. to ride my motorcycle and just plain beat the hell out of.

    Face it, most boots are overpriced, but go ahead and actually handle both the 745 and the W+H. Formulate your own opinion. I have, and I think the W+H, at $720 is a better value than the F&B at $420.
     
  19. Walter Williams

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    What's with people speaking as if their only encounter with a brand or interaction is the one and only fact?

    If you want some really funny evidence of the Wings+Horns boot hype/circle-jerk go here:


    So two people criticize a hideous boot similar to the W+H service boot, and that confirms the hype/circle-jerk for the W+H boot is bullshit? I don't buy it.

    I do think it is strange that so many people on here sell them at well below retail. Is it a matter of people using a product that holds it's value fairly well for quick, substantial cash, or is there another reason?
     
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    It's so hard to find a good pair of boots. It's all in the details. Apparently only Dayton and Wings+Horns can figure it out. Hope I can one day afford them. I want some BAD!
     

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