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Blake Stitched Blues

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I just read that Eric Clapton has issued a fourth (!!) "anti-lockdown" song, that Van Morrison supports the sentiments, and that Clapton has (even worse obviously) made more than once very racist "Keep Britain White!!!" statements on stage, in Brit venues.

Is this all true? Wow, two heroes of mine, doing this? Really sad if true.

And, if true, screw you, Eric, go write "white music" then instead of coat-tailing on the work of people you would prefer not even exist anywhere near your many mansions....
Oh for goodness sake. So what if he doesn't support interminable lockdowns and has concerns over the future of live music?

Interesting that the second he doesn't toe the party line the cancel culture brigade on Twitter are digging out drug-addled comments he made nearly half a century ago. Comments that he has repeatedly apologized for.
 

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Oh for goodness sake. So what if he doesn't support interminable lockdowns and has concerns over the future of live music?

Interesting that the second he doesn't toe the party line the cancel culture brigade on Twitter are digging out drug-addled comments he made nearly half a century ago. Comments that he has repeatedly apologized for.
No need to get to moralistic, man.

I asked if the comments were true...I meant especially the "Keep Britain White" comments, which shocked me. (And I don't gaf about "cancel culture".)

It turned out he did make those comments, and I find his "apology", far too many convenient years later (I just listened to it, see below), actually just as insulting, referring to "Eric" in the third person, etc. Is it really apologizing when one says, "Yeah, but...". The guy is smarter than that, I thought. :(

And then trotting out "cancel culture" references is now so tedious too, isn't it, when used to defend asinine comments made by a very public figure, an icon, regardless of the age and/or drug situation of the guy. Many other people, in similar positions and situations, never said something as crass and idiotic as "Keep _____ White." Of course, many others have, indeed, and moreso recently, and so racism persists and mutates apace, tacitly supported also by weak and insincere mea culpas and defenses such as these.



"Here’s what Clapton said that night on stage (Birmingham, 1976):
'...I don’t want you here, in the room or in my country,” Clapton declared. “Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch’s our man. I think Enoch’s right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I’m into racism. It’s much heavier, man. Fucking wogs, man. Fucking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and fucking Jamaicans and fucking … don’t belong here, we don’t want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don’t want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don’t want fucking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country. What is happening to us, for fuck’s sake?...' ”


He said that, man, out loud, in public, on stage. At a music concert, not a political rally. And then in semi-apologizing semi-defending he says "I think it's funny", in 2018 still? Wow. :rolleyes:
 

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It turned out he did make those comments, and I find his "apology", far too many convenient years later (I just listened to it, see below), actually just as insulting, referring to "Eric" in the third person, etc. Is it really apologizing when one says, "Yeah, b
That's not his first or only apology on the topic.

This is standard cancel culture behavior by the way. Kick and scream for an apology and then refuse to accept one when offered.

He said that, man, out loud, in public, on stage. At a music concert, not a political rally. And then in semi-apologizing semi-defending he says "I think it's funny", in 2018 still? Wow. :rolleyes:
Are we to demand ideological purity from the musicians we listen to? Should Chuck Berry be cancelled for putting cameras in womens bathrooms? Jimmy Page for keeping 14 year old groupies? David Bowie for flirting with fascism and calling Hitler a rock star?
 
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That's not his first or only apology on the topic.

This is standard cancel culture behavior by the way. Kick and scream for an apology and then refuse to accept one when offered.
That was not exactly an apology...2018, on tape, to promote a legacy film, he hardly comes off as regretful or truly sincere, does he? What complete bs. Tacit acceptance and all that....

"Standard"? Defined by whom?
I despise the term "cancel culture", find it ridiculous, meaningless, reductive, and a completely two-way exercise in hypocrisy whenever employed.

So what? Are we to demand ideological purity from the musicians we listen to? Should Chuck Berry be cancelled for putting cameras in womens bathrooms? Jimmy Page for keeping 14 year old groupies? David Bowie for flirting with fascism and calling Hitler a rock star?
What is your obsession with this "cancelling"? I have no idea about others, but I have certainly not asked for that.

Ideological purity doesn't exist even among the buddhas, so, no, but regardless I myself find that behavior cited above, as well as similar behavior among many others not at all restricted to "those wild and crazy rock musicians!!!" generally pretty creepy.

To ask however for better communication: deeper hindsight and experienced honesty, 42 (1976-2018) years later, in retrospect, with the guy looking back on past "sins"...yeah at that point we, citizens, people, all of us, have every right to expect better behavior and examples...all while still listening to the music, loving and appreciating it, with no stupid "cancel" button in sight. Might we do better, all of us, and perhaps get out of the crap we collectively have been fairly continuously descending into.
 
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