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What Movies Are You Watching Lately

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by edinatlanta, Nov 29, 2010.

  1. OmniscientCause

    OmniscientCause Senior member

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    There is a decent copy online in 720 but, If I had the time to go to the movies It is probably worth seeing there.
     
  2. in stitches

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    same here. looks like i have weekend plans now. :)
     
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    Just a heads up on Marooned; It was released a year after 2001: A Space Odyssey and so followed in its footsteps to the degree of feeling as 'true to life' as was possible. It is slow-paced and very scientific in its feel. Where Apollo 13 used sweeping musical cues, Marooned used nothing but ambient sound, in fact there really is no musical score in Marooned. It is a docu-drama styling that you should be in the mood for This film puts ADD people to sleep, as did 2001, but to the more cerebral of audiences, it will be a rewarding experience. A very impressive film since most all of what you will see was actually cutting edge technology at the time of its release. The film shows with accuracy what SKYLAB would look like years later in real life. The Emergency Rescue vehicle was based on an actual NASA prototype (or was the actual prototype) vehicle. The characters behave very professionally and, thankfully, there is no joking around or making light of the serious situation which centers the story. Hope you will enjoy it as much as I do.
     
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  4. Kaplan

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    All of that makes me want to see it even more!

    While I usually feel that the right score is what takes a movie to the next level (Alien, LotR, Gladiator, Jaws, Indy, Star Wars etc - and recently I enjoyed what M83 did for Oblivion), sometimes *no* score can be the way to go, and this sounds like a perfect film for it (as opposed to No Country For Old Men, where IIRC there wasn't a soundtrack and I think it suffered from it).
     
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    I watched "The Pledge" last night. While the whole movie would have benefited from a tighter edit, it's some of Jack Nicholson's best work in many a moon. Tension builds very effectively throughout the film, but ultimately it is channeled in a completely unexpected direction.

    As an added bonus, we get Sean Penn's wife playing an abused wife. Art imitating life?
     
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    Kaplan, interesting that you mentioned the ALIEN score. It was indeed brilliant.
    Allow me to digress. Some trivia on that one...
    As you may or may not know, Ridley Scott used excerpts from Jerry Goldsmiths score from the 1962 film 'Freud' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freud:_The_Secret_Passion)
    Jerry Goldsmith did compose original material for ALIEN but Ridley, to Goldsmiths dismay, preferred the old Freud score and used that.

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    was actually a classical excerpt from Howard Hansons 'Romantic Symphony No. 2'





    The REJECTED Jerry Goldsmith score for ALIEN does exist and is floating around the internet somewhere...out there...
     
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  7. in stitches

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    i have had that in my watch queue forever, always wondering if it was any good. glad to hear a positive review.
     
  8. Kaplan

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    Thanks for the info on that. I have the original cd with the Alien soundtrack (with 10 tracks) and I'm aware of a double cd edition (with 47 tracks). AFAIK the latter has all the unused material Goldsmith made.

    Listening to the first clip of the Freud score you posted as I write this, some of it is very recognisable (from Alien), some of it less so.

    Since we're geeking out, are you familiar with the tragedy of Troy's soundtrack? My reason for mentioning Gladiator above, is that it's IMO is a pretty perfect movie, in large part due to it's soundtrack (by Hans Zimmer and Lisa Gerrard) which brought a 80% movie to 90% or so. 4 years later, along comes Troy; without the soundtrack maybe a 70% movie at best, with it's mediocre score it's more like 60% or so.

    The tragedy is that an alternative and awesome soundtrack actually exists for Troy. Gabriel Yared spend a year making a score that could have added to instead of deducting from Troy. Due to some morons at a test screening it was axed, without giving him a chance to address any of the critiques (like the one saying it's style was too old, which you of course can't have considering when it takes place). Instead, a month and a half before the films release, James Horner was brought onboard and given less than 3 weeks to whip up the generic crap that ended up in the movie. What a waste.

    Gabriel Yared's score is out there if you look for it...
     
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    Kaplan, thank you for the Troy OST back story, thank you for mentioning it. I love Gabriel Yared's work. He is very under-appreciated.
    Rejection of a composer or his/her score is, as you know, not uncommon in the industry. Those are interesting stories to be sure.

    One of my favourite 'Rejected Score' stories is the ALIEN story. Ridley Scott rejects Goldsmith and replaces him with...well.... Goldsmith. Then later rejects Goldsmith on LEGEND by replacing him with Tangerine Dream, who basically plagiarized the original Goldsmith score. Go figure.
    Typical Hollywood politics at play. I don't believe that was Ridley's call, but rather an order from 'above'.
    It reminds me of a scene in Schindler's List where a female engineer imprisoned at Auscwitz, tries to warn the Nazi officers of a buildings structural problems. For this, she is shot. After she is shot, the SS-Hauptsturmf├╝hrer Amon Goeth teaches his underlings, 'Now do it exactly as she said. We are not going to have aruments with these people'. Sadly, that scenario plays out in every industry (via firings; a symbolic execution) on a daily basis.

    I am deeply saddened that we have lost most of the great film composers. Jerry Goldsmith was incredibly gifted and innovative and diverse. Miklos Roza, Bernard Hermann, Max Steiner, Basil Poledouris, Georges Delerue, Elmer Bernstein, just to name a few. They were all industry giants.
    Thankfully, Lalo Schifrin, Ennio Morricone, John Williams and a few others are still with us, but are among the last of the great Hollywood film composers.
    I will weep when they go, for an entire era will go with them. I sincerely hope they all out-live me.

    Back to Horner...the problem is, this seems to be the same Horner story for 30 years. 'I only had 2-4 weeks to work on it.' Is he stating that he is never a director/producer's first choice? Is he concealing his limitations? Is he simply stating how the industry works? Who knows, maybe all of the above. A composer places himself into that position in the first place by accepting a contract under those time constraints. I am not saying outrightly that Horner can't compose good music because he has and is perfectly capable of doing do presently, given the time he needs. What I will say is that he would be better off creatively to accept 2-3 projects per year and have at least 3 months per project to compose. That is where his limitations lay. 4 or more, and the plagiarising starts, perhaps out of desperation. His infamous '4 note battlecry' is in almost every score he does. To be fair to him, he is certainly not the only composer guilty of plagiarising. Most, if not all of the 'regulars' do it to some degree, though they use phrases like 'borrowing' or 'paying homage', 'inspired by' etc. Elfman and Zimmer are two high profile names as an example.

    Hollywood still FAILS as a whole, to recognize the importance of a composers work and needs.
    Composers can single-handedly save a mediocre film or make a good film into a masterpiece.
    I've digressed enough. There are entire forums dedicated just to movie composers. Maybe I should join one of them.


    Additionally, please enjoy this clip from a televised 1993 tribute to John Williams.
    It is a wonderful demonstration of how important a composer and their work is to a film.

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    ^ Nice clip. Speaking of Legend, I believe I've read something about a special version (maybe the Blu-ray?) with the original Goldsmith score reinstated.

    Btw, seeing Gene Hackman's name on the Marooned poster above, reminded me that I've been meaning to catch these two again:

    [​IMG] [​IMG] - as it's been about 25 years since I last saw them.

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    And today I finally got around to seeing this one: [​IMG] - had pretty high expectations from all the great reviews and I'd say they were pretty much met (and I want his house).
     
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    ^ If memory serves, the LEGEND DVD Collector's Edition has 2 disks which offers both the Tan Dream & Goldsmith scores depending on which disk you want to watch. Also, unsure of both are Director's Cuts or not...probably are but check into it..

    +1 on French Connection....been decades since I've seen either myself. I may join you for a spin. Both are good and gritty films.

    Haven't seen A Single Man as yet but it is on the 'to do' list.
     
  12. lefty

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    Big fan of the story and the original Danny Kaye movie, but cringed a little when I heard this was being remade by Stiiler. However, not a bad trailer.

    The Secret Life of Walter Mitty


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    The Clooney version of Solaris is another one in this line -- not much of a score; more ambient http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0307479/ - beautiful, slow-moving movie.

    And I haven't gone back through all of these pages to see if it was mentioned, but if you haven't seen Moon yet, definitely add that to the list of cerebral sci-fi movies: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/


     
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    kaplan - good reminder about TFC, i need to see those.

    not really a movie, but kind of at 90 minutes each, ive been really enjoying sherlock.
     
  15. Kaplan

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    ^ I've been enjoying both Sherlock and Elementary :)


    I've seen the 2002 Solaris and have been meaning to find the 1972 original by Andrei Tarkovsky.

    Speaking of Tarkovsky, I would like to find this one as well:

    [​IMG] as I've both read the novel it's partly based on (Roadside Picnic - read it here) and played the Russian game inspired by it (S.T.A.L.K.E.R.).

    And thanks for mentioning Moon, somehow I missed that one.
     
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    i have also been watching Elementary, but i think sherlock is far better. the stories and actors are better imo. the time slot is better suited for the plots. and more importantly, as a HUGE sherlock holmes fan, and as someone who has read the stories numerous times, it irks me that the SH character in Elementary is not a very good representation of the SH character in many ways, same for most of the characters, imo. its more of show based on the SH concept the way i see it. not bad though.
     
  17. Kaplan

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    I liked both of them, though nothing tops Jeremy Brett's Sherlock :)
     
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    Basil Rathbone disagrees.

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  19. Kaplan

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    I guess he might :laugh:
     
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    jcmeyer, thank you. I prefer the original Solaris myself. I haven't seen the Clooney remake as yet so will give it a try.
    Moon I believe was mentioned ny someone somewhere many pages ago, yes but no mention of the ambient score at that time. Nice & quiet film.
     

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