What makes a tie a Grenadine?

[Kaplan]

Taken from a recent thread:

Originally Posted by Icarium

I didn't want to start a new thread, and this is directly related... is Sam Hober pretty much the best (only?) place to buy narrow grenadine ties? By narrow, I am referring to < 3.0" width... 2.5-2.75".

I've searched all over, but most salespeople don't even know what a grenadine tie is in the first place.
Exactly. On a recent trip to Dublin I tried to find some grenadine ties, but no one seemed to be familiar with the term. This was in Brown Thomas, Hackett, Thomas Pink, TM Lewin, etc. Is it an american expression?

And what makes a tie a grenadine? I understand that it's a looser than normal silk weave, but is there an easily identifiable point where it shifts from a loosely weaved normal tie to a grenadine?

Like the poster above I'm also interested in a narrower tie.

Who makes a 2 3/4" (7cm) grenadine?

If I were to order a bespoke one from Sam Hober, what construction would you recommend? 3 fold, or 6,7 or 8?

 

[sho'nuff]

im curious as well. i always thought the grenadine tie was akin to like the material of seersucker.

 

[gdl203]

The specific weave pattern of the silk. If you look closely, you'll see that recognizable pattern.

 

[zalb916]

Originally Posted by gdl203

The specific weave pattern of the silk. If you look closely, you'll see that recognizable pattern.

It's actually the cherry flavor associated with the tie more than the specific weave. It's a common mistake. I take no offense.

 

[rob]

Go to Sam Hober ties. They will make the tie for you any way you would like.

Rob

 

[antirabbit]

Originally Posted by zbromer

It's actually the cherry flavor associated with the tie more than the specific weave. It's a common mistake. I take no offense.


Grenadine is not cherry flavored....
Pomagranite.

 

[zalb916]

Originally Posted by antirabbit

Grenadine is not cherry flavored.... Pomagranite.
All of my Roy Rogerses, including the one I had last night, were not really cherry Cokes? They were pomegranate Cokes? Man, my world has been blown. Although, I'd argue it still has a cherry flavor; even though, the syrup is supposed to be made from pomegranate.

 

[tlmusic]

Turnbull and Asser stock grenadine ties.
Their ties are usually 3.5 to 3.75 inches wide. You could have them narrowed by a tailor or tiecrafters.com if you wanted them narrower.


Follow this link and you can see the grenadine pattern:

http://store.turnbullandasser.co.uk/Ties/Grenadine

 

[tlmusic]

Harvie and Hudson also sells less expensive grenadine ties.
http://www.harvieandhudson.com/product.phtml?id=144

 

[Sam Hober]

Originally Posted by Kaplan

Taken from a recent thread:

Exactly. On a recent trip to Dublin I tried to find some grenadine ties, but no one seemed to be familiar with the term. This was in Brown Thomas, Hackett, Thomas Pink, TM Lewin, etc. Is it an american expression?

And what makes a tie a grenadine? I understand that it's a looser than normal silk weave, but is there an easily identifiable point where it shifts from a loosely weaved normal tie to a grenadine?

Like the poster above I'm also interested in a narrower tie.

Who makes a 2 3/4" (7cm) grenadine?

If I were to order a bespoke one from Sam Hober, what construction would you recommend? 3 fold, or 6,7 or 8?

The Grenadine weave is called Gauze in Italian and there are stories of its origin in the Middle East
a long time ago.

There are 2 classic grenadine weaves that are currently woven one is the one that we use and the other is a looser weave.

The type of weave is what makes it a grenadine not how tightly woven it is. Feel free to email me for a swatch if you want to look closely at the weave, which is the best way to understand a grenadine.

You do not want a 7 or 8-fold construction. As for the merits of a 3 or 6-fold construction I will let others make their suggestions as it is mostly a persomal choice. The 6-fold will have a better drape and have an elegant construction which will appeal to gentlemen who like mechanical watches. However, the 3-fold is a clasic tie which is very beautiful. I have several 3-fold grenadines which I often wear.

I would not buy a nice grenadine and have it altered. Those who do alterations tend to do an ok job at a reasonable prce if you are not concerned about small details. If you already have ties which need to be narrowed then that would be when you would want to alter a tie.

The Harvie and Hudson links show what looks to be a beautiful grenadine silk - I cannot tell from the photos much about the construction. The Turnbull and Asser ties will most likely have a nice wool interlining but again I cannot tell from the photos much about the construction so I would probably go with the HH grenadine all things being equal. the silk looks like the same quality.

If you have time we can make a grenadine exactly as you wish but if you are in a hurry the HH tie looks like a good value - but again I cannot tell much about the construction fro the photo.

 

[mrmike98]

What I used to call &quot;double breasted neckwear&quot;. As dressy a tie as one could find.

 

[Kaplan]

Thanks for your reply David.

I'm not counting on finding a 2 3/4" grenadine in a shop anytime soon, so I'm planning on getting one or two from you at some point - I'm in no great hurry.

Without knowing too much about it, the craftmanship of a 6 fold appeals to me. I'm not looking for a tie with a lot of body, so would this be unlined or just with very little interlining?

 

[Sam Hober]

Originally Posted by Kaplan

Thanks for your reply David.

I'm not counting on finding a 2 3/4" grenadine in a shop anytime soon, so I'm planning on getting one or two from you at some point - I'm in no great hurry.

Without knowing too much about it, the craftmanship of a 6 fold appeals to me. I'm not looking for a tie with a lot of body, so would this be unlined or just with very little interlining?

Kaplan,


We do not like to make unlined grenadines so the tie would be lined. We can use a light interlining.

Grenadines do have a light feeling and a lot of body - we only suggest four-in-hand knots not Windsors.

If you are not in a hurry then we are perfect for you - smiling.....

When you are ready email me at [email protected] and we can discuss length and construction in more detail.

 

[Kaplan]

^^ Will do.

And only four-in-hand knots for me

 

[Francisco D'Anconia]

Originally Posted by Sam Hober

The Grenadine weave is called Gauze in Italian and there are stories of its origin in the Middle East
a long time ago.

There are 2 classic grenadine weaves that are currently woven one is the one that we use and the other is a looser weave.

The type of weave is what makes it a grenadine not how tightly woven it is. Feel free to email me for a swatch if you want to look closely at the weave, which is the best way to understand a grenadine.

You do not want a 7 or 8-fold construction. As for the merits of a 3 or 6-fold construction I will let others make their suggestions as it is mostly a persomal choice. The 6-fold will have a better drape and have an elegant construction which will appeal to gentlemen who like mechanical watches. However, the 3-fold is a clasic tie which is very beautiful. I have several 3-fold grenadines which I often wear.

I would not buy a nice grenadine and have it altered. Those who do alterations tend to do an ok job at a reasonable prce if you are not concerned about small details. If you already have ties which need to be narrowed then that would be when you would want to alter a tie.

The Harvie and Hudson links show what looks to be a beautiful grenadine silk - I cannot tell from the photos much about the construction. The Turnbull and Asser ties will most likely have a nice wool interlining but again I cannot tell from the photos much about the construction so I would probably go with the HH grenadine all things being equal. the silk looks like the same quality.

If you have time we can make a grenadine exactly as you wish but if you are in a hurry the HH tie looks like a good value - but again I cannot tell much about the construction fro the photo.

Kaplan,

I have three of David grenadine ties and they are the best ties that go around my neck. He made them exactly to the specifications I sent him. That is the good news. The bad news is that good things take time. And David's take extra time. Six months. But good things come to thise who wait.

I recently bought a couple of grenadines from J.Press during a sale someone announced over at AAAC. They got here in less than a week, but they are not up to the Hober standard. They're a little narrower than I'd like and the way the tie feels in my hand is just not as heavy, solid, or satisfying.