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What is the Worst Town in California?

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by Manton, Jun 17, 2011.

  1. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Chino. I win.

    Not even the worst town in SB County, if you ask me.
     
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    Great threak. Very entertaining.

    B'field is close enough to LA and SB that it's not sufficiently remote.

    The big name basque places are (or were) the Noriega Hotel, the Woolgrowers, Benji's, and Pyrenees.

    The most old world traditional time warpy place is the Noriega Hotel, long tables, you will be seated next to strangers, food served family style.

    Woolgrowers is the "white tablecloth" place but none of these places are fine dining.


    I often equate Bakersfield to Midland, TX but without the scenic views (not true actually, but funny to people from Texas).

    Was out there back in the mid-90's. I believe that the Basque place I ate at was Woolgrowers. Pretty great. The points Bakersfield gets on my scorecard for the Basque food get deducted however for what was most certainly the worst Mexican food I've ever had in my life. My client recommended a Mexican place for lunch one day. So...so...so horrible.
     
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    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I have always thought that B'Field is basically, culturally, a West Texas town. Oil & ag, flat, hot, dry, redneck, country music, pick up trucks, etc.

    There is BTW some scenery in B'Field. There is the cliff of Panorama Drive, then the River, and then Hart Park. I have to say, however, that's it. The "panorama" you can see from Panorama Drive is of subdivisions, strip malls and oil fields, but still you are up high and can see far.

    There is great Mexican food there, you probably were taken to Mexicali, a gigantic sort of faux-Mexican Olive Garden that sucks. Out-of-towners always end up there, the poor bastards.

    BTW, the Oakies did not all end up in the Central Valley, a great many also settled along the old Route 66/Foothill Boulevard in the IE. Whites in Upland, Ontario, Cucamonga, La Verne, and many others, are mostly Oakie descendents.
     
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    I have always thought that B'Field is basically, culturally, a West Texas town. Oil & ag, flat, hot, dry, redneck, country music, pick up trucks, etc.

    Funny, this is what my dad said during our conversation yesterday when I called for Father's Day and we talked about my trip.
     
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    There is much about Bakersfield that is dismal. But there are glimmers of life.

    Stockton has gotten a lot worse over the years but it still has some virtues. Those more northerly CV towns have lots of trees and are very green.

    The idea that Sacramento is in any way terrible is a joke. OK, it's not that exciting but this is not about the most boring place in California (which in any case Sac would not even be that) but the worst.

    El Centro, I maintain, is the correct answer.

    Oh, and the grapevine from B'Field to LA is not hell or even close. The Tejon Ranch has some beautiful parts and pyramid lake is spectacular.


    I'm with Mike on this. man, what a bunch of whiney little brats. I think Sacramento is actually a pretty cool little city. great airport, very diverse, really pretty except for the summer, and, of course, Corti Bros! Stockton and Salinas definitely have their downsides, but there is really beautiful country within 5 minutes ... stockton has the delta and Salinas has the foothills. and while the small towns around bakersfield (yes, earlimart) are pretty bad, i will concede that even b'field has its own appeal. i think i'm going to have to stick with IE. or the coachella area. that's tough.
    SField, Chatsworth is just another suburb, just like every other suburb you've ever been in. Except for the whole porn thing.
     
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    As long as we are talking of California's less attractive locales ... too bad Fresno didn't survive longer.



     
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    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Corti Brothers is terrific. Sac also has an exceptionally nice housing stock and three really great pre-WW2 neighborhoods. The greatest thing about Sac (apart from the convenient location to get to Napa, Tahoe, the Bay, etc.) is the tree canopy, which is massive and shades almost all of the old areas and cools the place down considerably. Sac heat is much more bearable than other CV towns because of all those trees.

    Salinas is not attractive but it is only five miles from the Monterey Bay. Also, Steinbeck.
     
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    I have always thought that B'Field is basically, culturally, a West Texas town. Oil & ag, flat, hot, dry, redneck, country music, pick up trucks, etc.

    having lived in west texas, this is definitely true. in fact, i have a theory that what we're actually talking about is cotton culture. cotton is a destructive crop that really ruins the ground it is planted on fairly quickly. trace the family histories, food and musical styles and i think you'll find that the same folks who burned out land in the south, then traveled to east texas, then to west texas/oklahoma and then to the central valley. it's just one short generation from Bob Wills to Buck Owens.
    though i have to say that of all of the places we've mentioned so far, NONE come close to approaching the sheer soul-searing awfulness of Midland-Odessa.
     
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    I have never seen Odessa, thank God, but the book (non fiction) Friday Night Lights was set there, and the town in the fictional series is based on it. Also, the true story behind the movie The Client List (thank you edmorel) took place there.
     
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    I have always thought that B'Field is basically, culturally, a West Texas town. Oil & ag, flat, hot, dry, redneck, country music, pick up trucks, etc.

    Actually, this was my impression as well. My client at the time was in the oil business.


    There is BTW some scenery in B'Field. There is the cliff of Panorama Drive, then the River, and then Hart Park. I have to say, however, that's it. The "panorama" you can see from Panorama Drive is of subdivisions, strip malls and oil fields, but still you are up high and can see far.

    I was actually joking about this part. I recall seeing mountains off in the distance in B'fied. In Midland, the scenery is basically sagebrush, mesquite trees and pumpjacks. The two things you notice if you fly into Midland is (a) the landscape is dotted with oil well spacing units...it looks like a checkerboard where all the squares have been randomly shaken onto the floor, and (b) the only place that there are trees (other than mesquite bushes) are where they have been planted around houses, parks, golf courses, etc.

    There is great Mexican food there, you probably were taken to Mexicali, a gigantic sort of faux-Mexican Olive Garden that sucks. Out-of-towners always end up there, the poor bastards.

    No, there was nothing touristy about the place we went. It was a small shack of a place on the outskirts of town. In Dallas, those sorts of places have the best food. The one we went to in B'field was godawful.
     
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    though i have to say that of all of the places we've mentioned so far, NONE come close to approaching the sheer soul-searing awfulness of Midland-Odessa.

    +0.5 Although, having lived in Midland and worked in Odessa, I will say that the people there are so nice that it makes up for it a bit. I actually (believe it or not) didn't hate my swim through that little slice of soul-searing awfulness. I'm not aching to go back, mind you, but I'd go there again before I'd move to certain parts of Houston (for example).

    Odessa is a pretty sad place though. However, nearly every small town between Odessa and Lubbock is worse. At least Midland has a lot of oil money for public infrastructure to soften the blow of having it located in the middle of hell.

    I have never seen Odessa, thank God, but the book (non fiction) Friday Night Lights was set there, and the town in the fictional series is based on it. Also, the true story behind the movie The Client List (thank you edmorel) took place there.

    Several of the folks I worked with were mentioned in that book. On the one hand they hated to book (it didn't paint them in a particularly good light), on the other, they would tell you, "remember the part where...that was me." One of my secretaries (in her early '30's) was so into HS football, that if Permian lost she could be expected to call in sick on Monday and Tuesday the following week.
     
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    +0.5 Although, having lived in Midland and worked in Odessa, I will say that the people there are so nice that it makes up for it a bit. I actually (believe it or not) didn't hate my swim through that little slice of soul-searing awfulness. I'm not aching to go back, mind you, but I'd go there again before I'd move to certain parts of Houston (for example).
    I know just what you mean. some of my best friends are still the folks i met when i was living in lubbock. it's kind of like friendships from wartime ... you have to stick together. the further i get from that time, the more fondly i remember it (going on 30 years now and i might be up for a return visit if forced.
    school funding in particular. iirc, there was a law that a certain percentage of oil extraction fees had to go to public schools. there were some places so remote that there would be one school for the entire county ... and it looked like a very nice junior college.

    when i lived in lubbock (four years, early 80s), i covered high school sports, from amarillo to midland-odessa (and even a bit beyond). actually drove me out of sportswriting. people were totally wacko to a really awful extent. that and the confluence between sports and born-again christianity ... god wanted me to score that touchdown (no exaggeration ... on a daily basis). yeesh. always wanted to ask if god also wanted him to spend the rest of his life pumping gas, which he would be doing in two years.
     
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    Not even the worst town in SB County, if you ask me.

    I see that we agree on the wasteland that is El Centro.

    As for SB County, I have always hated Rialto. My hatred started as a kid when I had to travel there for a baseball game and the other team was yelling out "BBQ" or "Gatorade" on every pitch for some illogical reason. Not to mention the field looked more like a fenced prison with the other team climbing and hanging onto the dugout fence like caged monkeys. The city itself is rundown and dirty. The city government incompetent. When I had to work on a project in that city, the govt was fighting with Colton and trying to kill their project because they didn't feel that Rialto was being fairly compensated. Of course they had just started a much larger project, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that once Colton got word, they launched the same attack on Rialto.
     
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    when i lived in lubbock (four years, early 80s), i covered high school sports, from amarillo to midland-odessa (and even a bit beyond). actually drove me out of sportswriting. people were totally wacko to a really awful extent. that and the confluence between sports and born-again christianity ... god wanted me to score that touchdown (no exaggeration ... on a daily basis). yeesh.
    This mindset is present throughout much of the South. It's certainly just as common in East Texas. Those 'poor' little Houston matrons had to horse whip their husbands to get sports funds released in order to build the Houston School of Performing and Visual Arts.

    always wanted to ask if god also wanted him to spend the rest of his life pumping gas, which he would be doing in two years.
    Religion aside, in much of the South, if you did not play sports ... you do not play -- at least no seriously -- at the executive level.
     
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    My dad's people are Okies. He grew up in Picher (zinc mining country) and they came west and settled in Redlands in the 40's. I still have a lot of family there, as well as Yucaipa, Calimesa, Mentone.
     
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    I'm with Mike on this. man, what a bunch of whiney little brats. I think Sacramento is actually a pretty cool little city. great airport, very diverse, really pretty except for the summer, and, of course, Corti Bros! Stockton and Salinas definitely have their downsides, but there is really beautiful country within 5 minutes ... stockton has the delta and Salinas has the foothills. and while the small towns around bakersfield (yes, earlimart) are pretty bad, i will concede that even b'field has its own appeal. i think i'm going to have to stick with IE. or the coachella area. that's tough. SField, Chatsworth is just another suburb, just like every other suburb you've ever been in. Except for the whole porn thing.
    Well that's part of the problem, I've actually been in very few normal suburbs... My experience with suburbs would be Westchester, Greenwich, and the North Shore in Chicago... these are places I either went to school or grew up in. Other than that, I very seldom find myself in suburbs. I do have quite a bit of experience with bad inner city, but very little with typical suburb. And yes, don't ask why, but the porn thing was actually the reason I was in Chattsworth. It is still the most bizarre thing I've ever been engaged to do professionally (I wasn't involved in any porn,) but I was paid to cook and it was... really weird.
     
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    when i lived in lubbock (four years, early 80s), i covered high school sports, from amarillo to midland-odessa (and even a bit beyond). actually drove me out of sportswriting. people were totally wacko to a really awful extent. that and the confluence between sports and born-again christianity ... god wanted me to score that touchdown (no exaggeration ... on a daily basis). yeesh. always wanted to ask if god also wanted him to spend the rest of his life pumping gas, which he would be doing in two years.


    you're kidding
     
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    My dad's people are Okies. He grew up in Picher (zinc mining country) and they came west and settled in Redlands in the 40's. I still have a lot of family there, as well as Yucaipa, Calimesa, Mentone.

    my stepfather is an Okie from modesto, went to HS with George Lucas.

    redlands is a lovely town, about 30 degrees too hot most of the time.
     
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    To me, hell is 8 lane surface streets longer than the Great Wall of China and strip malls larger than LAX, as far as the eye can see, plus no trees, no shade, no green, and blasting 100 degree heat four months a year.
    Again, you're absolutely sure you're not describing Sacto?
     
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    Again, you're absolutely sure you're not describing Sacto?

    absolutely, it's like you've never been there if you think that.

    The far eastern and NEastern burbs like orangevale and citrus heights look vaguely like that but not as bad. And, anyway, once you get out that far you are getting into the foothills so it's not so flat and also not so hot. The old downtown core plus east sac, McKinley Park, land park and curtis park are lovely and look absolutely nothing like that. Downtown was laid out in gold rush times and is still largely victorian. Curtis park and east sac are WW1/roaring 20s and Land Park is 30s/40s but pre-war in style.

    As far as urban/suburban neighborhoods go (suburban in style but urban in location), East Sac and Land Park are two of the prettiest areas to live in the entire country.

    Honestly, the wasteland surrounding San Jose to the immediate west, south and east is more like the worst parts of SoCal than anything in Sac. I'm talking about you, Stevens Creek Blvd. You suck and you know it.
     

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