What is swagger? discuss

[u007]

Originally Posted by jet

No, because you don't know wtf you're talking about. Lurk more.
Oh please enlighten me great one! You don't need to have been a member for a long time to know that a big thread means an item is popular. Lots of people wearing it, lolts of people looking stupid wearing it. Thus, they do not have the "swag". And to be honest, I registered here to ask one or two specific questions which I've already done. And now I've seen the WAYWT threads (and lol'd at feeble-looking guys with no "swag") I'm not sure I want to lurk in case I end up like that

 

[Go Surface]

Ugh.

 

[willy cheesesteak]

 

[Dr Huh?]

 

[Jekyll]

So has this just turned into the Mancrush threak?

Originally Posted by DLester

^ Bowie wins thread
Bowie wins every thread. Unless the universe conspires to pit him against Mercury. What would happen then is anyone's guess.

 

[jet]

Originally Posted by u007

Oh please enlighten me great one!

You don't need to have been a member for a long time to know that a big thread means an item is popular. Lots of people wearing it, lolts of people looking stupid wearing it. Thus, they do not have the "swag".

And to be honest, I registered here to ask one or two specific questions which I've already done. And now I've seen the WAYWT threads (and lol'd at feeble-looking guys with no "swag") I'm not sure I want to lurk in case I end up like that

You should post a pic then!

 

[mlyngard]

Originally Posted by Lel

Wait, swagger? I thought we were still using steeze

How old to I have to be to start untying my shoes to have spezzatatataura?
lulz. That was funny.

Originally Posted by Fuuma

as for the MLyngard post about "swagger" crossing cultural borders, I'm not sure Roman patricians or Maori warriors would find Bruce Lee to have swagger. "Cool" isn't some concept that transcends cultures, it is, in fact, a very western and recent concept. You can say some mythical versions of cool have wide cultural reach as they're archetypes but that's about it. Remember that Jazz musicians were mostly considered druggie trash by most people, that hip/square list that is pretty much the foundation of what cool means was done by a member of the COUNTER culture before it was digested by mainstream culture. note: was it Kerouac who did that hip/square thing? I forget, him or another beat anyway.
Very true. Point well made. By 'cross-cultural' I mean between cultures that share enough in common to recognize it. Same eras, shared cultural exposure (like us and Japan) But you have to admit that, on a certain level, the idea of Swagger falls into the same realm of appreciation as the elusive timeless ideal portrayed in this Roman sculpture:

I mean, it was the Jazz/Beat scene that created 'The Birth Of Cool', but 'coolness' had/has other names in other cultures. And I think that factor is recognizable and has nothing to do with garments, or time or looks. It's rooted in unselfconscious confidence, a bit of subversiveness and disdain for being anything expected by popular culture.

Originally Posted by Rye GB

Yeah, very appropriate, Liam's definitely got swagger...
Debatable on Liam. His swagger factor went waaay down for me when that's basically all he did in the 'Bittersweet' video. It was cool the first time or two, but it's not all about walking nowhere and bumping into people. Still an awesome video though - he was trying to capture that lone-wolf, melancholy world-weariness which is so trite when affected yet so ******* potent when it's real. (chick at 2:37 is hawt)

 

[mlyngard]

Originally Posted by Dr Huh?

Yep. Got it.

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Bowie wins every thread. Unless the universe conspires to pit him against Mercury. What would happen then is anyone's guess.

The awesome thing about Bowie is that he built his total career around toying with and experimenting with the very ideal of swagger. That can backfire fast and only a few, like him and Warhol, can do something ironic in such a consciously parodying, self-mocking way and still mean it and be cool. The ultimate post-modernists.

Originally Posted by GoSurface

Ugh.

Uncontrol should avoid facial hair.

 

[driveslowk]

i didn't look at this thread for a while and ...

wow wtf 11 pages really

 

[Jekyll]

I think someone mentioned him earlier...

 

[LabelKing]

 

[Jekyll]

Oscar Wilde is overdone.

 

[indesertum]

i feel like roman patricians and maori warriors would feel that bruce lee has swagger if they understood or saw a little a bit of our culture today. they might not personally wish to be like bruce lee, but it'd be hard to say they would not see bruce lee as having swagger.

i think yohji has swagger, but that's not the kind of look that i think i can or should pull off right now


**** but yohji has so much swagger

when i'm 60 i want to look like yohji

 

[asobu]

regarding "owning" your look, this is one of my favorite pics

 

[Mountains]

Originally Posted by mlyngard

But you have to admit that, on a certain level, the idea of Swagger falls into the same realm of appreciation as the elusive timeless ideal portrayed in this Roman sculpture:

Ugh. The Seated Boxer is a Greek sculpture, from the Helenistic (latter) period of Greek art. It's not Roman; Roman sculpture is generally quite the opposite, depicting idealized and emotionless figures.