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What is a CE or a BCE? OK-- I know but its stupid

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Lighthouse, Mar 15, 2011.

  1. Lighthouse

    Lighthouse Senior member

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    I was conducting intense research on the history of cell phones in the Zhou dynasty, and came across the CE BCE references.

    It reminded me of Solzhenitsyn's observation that to destroy a people you must first sever their roots.

    I can only hope that this is a fad that will go the way of Leif Garrett. Because the profound stupidity of it all makes my eyes hurt when I encounter it.

    And so, I will read it as "Christian Era" and "Before Christian Era", but never use it because that would be embarrassing.
     
  2. mack11211

    mack11211 Senior member

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    BCE Before Common Era
    CE Common Era.

    The dividing line is the birth of Jesus.
     
  3. Kajak

    Kajak Senior member

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    I was conducting intense research on the history of cell phones in the Zhou dynasty, and came across the CE BCE references.

    Wait... what?
     
  4. indesertum

    indesertum Senior member

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    BCE Before Common Era
    CE Common Era.

    The dividing line is the birth of Jesus.


    not true

    dividing line is ad 0

    birth of jesus was either 4 bc or 6 ad
     
  5. unjung

    unjung Senior member

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    Man... Google.
     
  6. Master-Classter

    Master-Classter Senior member

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    anyone know: what was the commonly accepted counting method before the CE calendar and what was it up to?
     
  7. Kajak

    Kajak Senior member

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    Generally it depended on the Kingdom/Empire etc.

    Romans counted from the founding of Rome, Hebrews from a year before the Earth was formed according to Genesis, etc. etc.
     
  8. Matt

    Matt Senior member

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    CE = current events subforum at Styleforum.
    BCE = business, careers and education subforum at Styleforum.

    Any other use of our acronyms are just pathetic attempts by others to bite our steez.
     
  9. MikeDT

    MikeDT Senior member

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    I was conducting intense research on the history of cell phones in the Zhou dynasty, and came across the CE BCE references.
    But there where no cellphones during the Zhou Dynasty, your 'intense research' should have told you that. They didn't arrive until the Song Dynasty.
     
  10. edmorel

    edmorel Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    CE = Current Events, aka, the period before you venture into the CE forum.
    BCE = Butthurt Current Events, aka, the period after you start posting in the CE forum.
     
  11. Lighthouse

    Lighthouse Senior member

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    Man... Google.

    Read the title. OK - I know.

    But its stupid.
     
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    CE = Current Events, aka, the period before you venture into the CE forum.
    BCE = Butthurt Current Events, aka, the period after you start posting in the CE forum.


    Word!
     
  13. Mark from Plano

    Mark from Plano Senior member

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    anyone know: what was the commonly accepted counting method before the CE calendar and what was it up to?

    Most ancient societies counted years based on their current monarch ("The 6th year of the reign of King Whassisname"). Christians came to view Jesus as the ulimate source of monarchal power, so at some point (400-500 years later) it became logical within that context to count time according to his "reign."

    So you had time begin to be measured as "The Year of Our Lord ("Anno Domini" in Latin) 457" or whatever. That required someone to do the research on how many years it had been since the birth of Jesus. Problem was the guy (a monk whose name I've forgotten) got the calculations wrong and the calendar got set about 4-6 years off the actual birth of Jesus. By the time anyone figured out that it was wrong, things were too entrenched to change it, so everyone just said, "screw it."

    In the interim, with the increase in communications internationally and the growth of more worldwide economic systems, etc. the system of measuring time got adopted to one degree or another almost worldwide, though some countries retain their own systems for some purposes. In more recent times, folks got uncomfortable with the world-wide calendar pointing to a date involving a religion that only a minority fraction of the world ascribed to. But again, the system was too entrenched to change, so they decided to just change the name instead. "AD" become politically incorrect (despite the fact that historically Christians invented the system that nearly everyone else adopted) and was changed to "CE" or "Common Era" to make it more palatable to non-Christians.
     
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    geoffmartin17 Senior member

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    At my bastion of liberal learning, I've been docked entire letter grades for using "BC" and "AD"
     
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    Harold falcon Senior member

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    But there where no cellphones during the Zhou Dynasty, your 'intense research' should have told you that. They didn't arrive until the Song Dynasty.

    Have you not seen the time travel thread? http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=222018

    JMRouse went back to the Zhou Dynasty and invented cell phones back then.

    At my bastion of liberal learning, I've been docked entire letter grades for using "BC" and "AD"

    Is this true? I find it hard to accept a professor dropping you a whole letter grade for using something that, while not politically correct, is still in use by most people.
     
  16. Ataturk

    Ataturk Senior member

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    Try using "he" instead of "he or she" in a composition class these days. They can and will punish you for it. Been like that for years.
     
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    Second that, Ataturk;

    The problem is that CE/BCE are mandated, not optional, so too is gender neutral language. I've lost marks for calling God a "he" in a philosophy of religion course...

    Bit silly really.
     
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    God is a man...everybody knows that. Women don't grow great big intimidating beards.
     
  19. Teacher

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    At my bastion of liberal learning, I've been docked entire letter grades for using "BC" and "AD"

    I would, in all seriousness, take this up to higher authorities. Make a fuss. That's ridiculous. While I'm definitely liberal, I abhor the idea of trying to force one's own agendas on a class. That's not the point of education.
     
  20. Lighthouse

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    The idea that a student would be docked an entire letter grade for using proper terminology is shocking. This sounds like indoctrination more than education. If you encounter more of this thought control, I encourage you to contact your elected representatives and write about your experience in the paper. Wait until you graduate if you have to, but do it.
     

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