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What does men prevent of buying and wearing capes today ?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Whitepigeon, Jul 17, 2012.

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  1. Whitepigeon

    Whitepigeon Senior member

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    So let's have a little chat.
    You in your coat, me in my cape, allright ?

    I am NOT on a crusade for a return of the cape.
    Do read the introduction of my thread.

    It says : if you are a notable "cape - hater" do not wear them !
    It should be a waist of your money.
    Let it go :if it is NOT your taste, than it is not for you.
    Let them for other men who do like to have some change for the fun.

    Most important thing remains :
    Always wear clothes you feel good and comfortable in.

    So lets keep the things the way they are:
    You in your coat, me in my cape.
    and we can still have a good coffee with each other.

    Hats maybe useful the way you described.
    Most of the time however, they are not.
    You can do without.
    Better even not to wear a hat, especially expensive ones
    since the wind can blow them from your head
    and if so, it will cost you even a lot of money when the wind
    blows your hat over the river.
    I would like to safe you such an experience :
    that would be "elegantly wasted".

    But I will not forbid people who like hats, to wear them if only it is
    for the simple reason they think hats are beautiful to wear.
    Even if they are used on a moment they are not at all needed
    for protection against the sun.

    Than : People who never wear hats migth one day do so,
    for the simple fun of having a change.
    Always the same, is always the same is n't it ?
    At last it can be boring.

    All the things said about the hat, can be said about the cape.
    Capes are useful too as protection against the cold and the rain.
    Someone else stated in this thread they are even the best protection against the rain.
    In most cases, however, coats will be more practical.
    Like the hats than : it migth occur that one day, men who never should buy a cape to wear,
    start to wear a cape.
    For the same reason : for having the fun of a change.
    Always the same is always the same is n't it ?
    And for some people - even men - it can be boring at last.
    Reason to try something new.

    Snobbish to buy a cape as fashion - item to distinguish with ?
    Why ?

    Did not you get so far that the whole fashionindustry is about to distinguish yourself from others ?

    Besides : what 's wrong with that by the way ?
    It gives colour and variation in the streets.
    Let's keep it that way, allrigth ?

    It is not the matter of the subject of this thread so don't let us waist much words
    about accepting men or women who are gay or lesbian in 2012.
    Yes, the year 2012 matters since we know now a lot more about human beings and their sexual orientation compared with fifty years ago.
    In the Netherlands accepting gay people has become a non - issue.
    Here is everybody treated equal by law :
    men can marry women, women can marry women, men can marry men.
    Some people are gay, yes, we got over it. As a subject its not interesting here anymore.
    And to make this also clear : there is no connection between wearing capes and being gay.
    So let this not be a reason not to wear a cape,
    if you should ever choose to change your mind about this.
    ( If this should not happen also no problem to me )

    Finally : thanks for letting me know
    but ofcourse I do understand that all models are paid on the catwalk.
    With coats and with capes.
    Without coats and without capes.
    Nothing wrong with that I suppose.........?

    The main point is ofcourse
    - and I guess you agree with me in this case -
    that the designers made their fashion for certain groups.

    Now you can perhaps draw with me the conclusion
    that as far as the re-styled and new designed mancapes concerns,
    they focus not in the first place ( unfortunately for me )
    on old weird men like me or "would be" vampires
    but on modern fashionable young men.

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    Fashion is all about how to distinguish yourself from others.
    The main point is that the designers want to create fashion
    which is innovating existing fashion,
    inventing new things, discovering new styles.

    The new re - styled and new designed mancapes
    are part of this development.

    Hate it or like it.
    It's up to you.
     
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  2. Whitepigeon

    Whitepigeon Senior member

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    Really..........? I sincerely apologise if I insulted you...
     
  3. Elegantly Wasted

    Elegantly Wasted Senior member

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    Man, your world is black and white, just like your avatar. Can one only either love or hate capes?

    Then why do you keep bringing arguments in favor of capes? No one was attacking them before your thread.


    Hats: maybe it is very windy in your corner of the world - it is not in mine. If I wore a hat it would protect me from UV rays very well. And no, I wouldn't wear it just for looks - how about you?


    Vain if you prefer. Seems that you don't want a cape for it's own qualities (which you have praised so much), you just want to be the cutest flower in the garden.


    Did not you get so far that this forum is about "style", not fashion?


    About gays: you keep comming back to the topic, what are you trying to make clear so hard? Please don't tell me that you really have fear of image association between capes and gays.


    About models:
    Yes, they are addressing a target group they want to exploit. So what? Does it mean that "modern fashionable young men" WANT to wear capes? Come on, is that what you, a 56 year-old, seemingly well-educated man, read into it?
     
  4. Whitepigeon

    Whitepigeon Senior member

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    Thanks for your feedback.

    I appreciate all feedback by the way from all men who are really "cape likers" but also from:
    men who are "cape hesitaters" as well as men who belong to the true "cape-haters"

    Now first let 's thank God that men who are "cape - haters" cannot not be converted into "cape - liking" men.
    Nor can I be converted into a "cape hater".
    No apologizes from me for that.
    After all that is the reason why we, men, have such an interesting discussion about this subject.
    Never knew that the new and restyled mancape as new fashionitem would divide men's opinion that much.

    And yes by all means "cape-jokes" are allowed too in this thread as far as I am concerned
    (I hope the moderators of this forum agree with this as long as it is not personal or insulting)
    because its always nice to have a good laugh about a matter which appear to divide men's opinions so much.

    Now let's start to give some feedback on your thougths.
    Take it for whatever it is worth to you.

    You start with "people don't wear capes"
    Probably it did not occur to you but capes are already back in women 's fashion since three years.
    They are not widely used among women, but yes, I meet women who do like to wear a cape
    and wear them here in the streets.

    Now the men.
    That's another matter ofcourse.
    Lots of Men ( see this thread ) will continue to resist against the new introduction of the cape in men's fashion.
    Nothing new so far.

    The reasons are also clear : partly it is not their taste , partly because it is associated with the wrong things ( rapiers, vampires, superheroes)
    partly because they consider coats more practical in use and partly out of fear ( "Do not I look ridiculous ? ")

    The reason why the designers re - introduce the cape and not the kneebreeches or oversized ruffled sleeves I do not know.
    Probably the cape is more interesting to them as a to restyle fashionitem for today's use, than the other things you mentioned.
    Probably also a matter of taste : a number of designers rediscovered "caped awesomeness" both for women and for men.

    What you write about a younger person, trying to wear a cape, migth be true. Or not.
    Have a look at the capes they designed for this Fall and Winter 2012.
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    Its a matter of taste. And again : its always about the combination. Not about the cape itself.
    Call me old fashioned and for my opinion a better one
    but I cannot say the young guys on the picture look ridiculous.
    That's interesting I think of the new cape - trend for men.
    Somehow the designers succeeded (one better as the other )
    to avoid the "costume- look" or the "trying too hard" impression.
    But ofcourse you can or may have a different judgement.

    Now about the men avoiding umbrella hats in the summer :
    its not my taste either but if some men think they should use one
    I won't blame them for that.
    My advice: choose an umbrella-hat with the rigth colours which fit by the other parts of your outfit.
    And no, no umbrella hat with a tuxedo or a cape if I may say so.

    I am an older man wearing both capes and coats.
    I choose for a coat for practical reason, if I have to do a lot of shopping.
    But if I choose to wear a cape I do so for my pleasure.
    I rediscovered wonderful gentleman-like combinations with it.

    Apart from that : capes are in my opinion timeless and always to wear.
    You buy a cape for life.
    That is another reason ( I did not mention it so far ) why I do like capes.

    And now - it seems by accidence - you happen to be trendy as well when wearing a cape as a man.
    I did not invent that.
    Some designers of today apparently did.
    Who said once they are always re-discovering the wheel again and again ?

    Capes can be splendid and marvellous to wear for men.
    I allow myself that pleasure and it allows me too, to develop my own style.

    But never wear a cape if you are a "cape hater"
    It wil cause discomfort and will not make you happy.

    And if you hesitate : explore it, try out and ask feedback.
    That is the best thing I can advice.
     
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  5. rs232

    rs232 Senior member

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    ^ Less prose, more cool pics. Please.

    My contribution: Maurice Druon

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  6. crinklecut

    crinklecut Senior member

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    Do they make cargo capes, like, with lots of pockets and stuff? Here are the things I would like to be able to fit in my cape:


    • flashlight
    • bowie knife
    • length of rope
    • a small dog
    • some loose change
    • a meatball sub
    • a cauldron
    • a boat anchor
    • increasingly smaller capes, like Matryoshka dolls
    • blood donations
     
  7. Whitepigeon

    Whitepigeon Senior member

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    No more..........?
     
  8. Whitepigeon

    Whitepigeon Senior member

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    So far we did not had pictures of those weird strange old men,
    you know, those weird ones wearing capes.

    So thank you for this one.

    I have to say by the way that this one
    does not seem to me neither weird nor SF.

    I think he created a good combination and the invernesscape goes well with it.
     
  9. Whitepigeon

    Whitepigeon Senior member

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    Allrigth for me if only the red of your underpants match with the red of your cape and the red of your boots.
    Enjoy your windy days !
     
  10. Hayward

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    IS THIS STILL GOING ON?!?!!?
     
  11. Whitepigeon

    Whitepigeon Senior member

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    Well, well .....!
    Are we still on speaking terms ?
    I hope so.

    Why does my contribution seems to make you so angry ?
    I just tried to give you feedback on your questions.
    I hope I did not insult you.

    If my feedback on your contributions only irritates you,
    then I think further conversation has - at least on this moment - no use.

    Have a nice drink, a good meal, perhaps a hot shower and a long good sleep.
    Probably that will improve your mood
    and I hope it will make you able to see more colours in my contributions than the suggested black and white from your side.

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. Liquidus

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    Now this is a man who likes his capes.
     
  13. Whitepigeon

    Whitepigeon Senior member

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    Ofcourse there are men who like capes and there are men who dare to wear them as well.

    Tell us more if you like.

    When do you wear them ?
    For what model and what fabric do you choose ?
    Do people think you are an old fool, weird, SF, vampire, rapier or superhero ?

    Or: do people appreciate it ?

    Tell us more if you like.
    This thread seems to reveal there are quite a lot of misunderstandings by men about wearing capes in public.
     
  14. bafe

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    The only thing that stops me from wearing capes is the current thrift store situation. I only find women's loden capes, never found a men's one.
     
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  15. Whitepigeon

    Whitepigeon Senior member

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    Hello Switzerland, good evening from Amsterdam.

    I do not know if they sell the famous loden capes in your lovely country.
    Bavaria ( Southern Germany ) and Austria do have special shops for loden fashion ( also capes)
    Undoubtedley you know they are even famous for this high quality fashion.

    And I think at least in Bavaria, you can still buy in specialised shops for the hunt,
    loden capes for men.

    There is a more expensive alternative which migth satisfy your wish even better :
    Go for a custommade full circle lined loden mancape.
    Ofcourse when you have found a taylor,
    you can communicate about the desired colour of the loden ( black, green, dark blue or grey )
    the desired length etc.

    In this thread ( at the beginning ) you can see some pictures of the loden cape I had made in Germany.

    An alternative is going south : in Italy they sell wonderful loden full circle tabarro for men.
    The quality is good and it may even be cheaper as in Germany or Austria.

    Living in Switzerland I think it should not be too difficult to have this problem solved.
    I am wishing you good luck with investigating the possibilities

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  16. bafe

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    Hi
    Switzerland hasn't a great sartorial tradition, apart from silk, cotton mills and st. gallen embroidery. Of course Bavaria and Austria are full of shop specializing in country/trachten. Plenty of loden, tan linen jackets, capes etc. The problem is that I cannot afford any of those, let alone a tailor.
    . I wan to go for the cheap solution and fine one in a thrift shop (where I've already bought a great loden coat), but I can only find women's cape. But usually, If I'm patient enough, I can find almost everything, so we'll see what happens in the next months.
     
  17. Whitepigeon

    Whitepigeon Senior member

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    Ebay migth be an option as well. ( Germany, Austria, Italy or Switzerland)
     
  18. Whitepigeon

    Whitepigeon Senior member

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    This is the man in the cape critized in the hilarious Seinfeld show.
    It is a program made to make people laugh.
    Nothing wrong with that.
    But why is it hilarious ?

    People on the street are totally embarrased when they see this man wearing his cape.
    For a good laugh : search it on youtube.

    Now let's have a closer look why this is hilarious :
    1. The man combines sunglasses, sport shoes and a (migth be) black velvet cape.
    All styles are here mixed through one another and he looks ridiculous.
    2. The makers of the show gave him sunglasses.
    This suggests its warm sunny weather as well.
    That makes his choice of wearing a cape even more ridiculous.

    As it is ridiculous to wear under these circumstances a fur coat .
    (A fur coat does not combine either with nikes according to my opinion)
    Or to wear just only a boxershort when it freezes.
    (shall we combine that with a hat and boots ?)

    But anyway, it stimulated me to see once again this marvellous show
    and I had a good laugh.
    So thank you for posting this picture!
     
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  19. Whitepigeon

    Whitepigeon Senior member

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    I will tell you a secret :
    You do not have to become first the prime minister of Canada for wearing a cape.
    You can start rigth now.

    But If I may give you an advice :
    Personally I would prefer another hat to combine this with the cape.
    I think that will make it nicer as a whole.
    But ofcourse tastes may differ.
     
  20. Whitepigeon

    Whitepigeon Senior member

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    Don 't buy rolex watches and you can spend your money on other useful things........!
     

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