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What do you guys think of the new style BMW 5-Series (F10)?

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by IBJanky, Feb 8, 2011.

  1. Kookz

    Kookz Senior member

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    How long have you been into bmws? I suspect not long.


    For as long as I've been into cars. Do I need to be a certain age? The E60 is stunning. I'll reserve judgement on the F10 until I see the M5.
     
  2. GreenFrog

    GreenFrog Senior member

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    No, you don't.



    http://www.bmwblog.com/2011/02/15/mo...-transmission/

    BMW is done. First FWD cars, now this. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    --Andre


    Update: A source close to the brand told BMWBLOG that the rumors around an M5 with automatic transmission only are unfounded and the report is pure speculation at the moment.
     
  3. jet

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    For as long as I've been into cars. Do I need to be a certain age? The E60 is stunning. I'll reserve judgement on the F10 until I see the M5.

    Oh nice, what bmws have you owned in the past?
     
  4. Kookz

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    Oh nice, what bmws have you owned in the past?

    Owners only allowed?

    The only BMWs I own are an R1200GS and a G650X Challenge. I haven't owned a car in 5 years, it doesn't make any sense when I don't have a permanent country of residence, but I've put about 20,000 miles on an E85, E90 and E92 over the last few years via my ex.

    I remember when the E39 came out that I didn't find it all that attractive compared to the E34, and I suppose that stuck with me over the years even though the later E39s were very handsome. I very much prefer the E60 though, as far as style goes, to any modern sedan on the road. The F10 is a little too visually heavy for me, but I will definitely wait for the M5 before making an opinion on the whole design. The F10 looks good in person, and even the F11 isn't nearly as bad in person as the pictures make it out to be.
     
  5. Bartolo

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    Oh nice, what bmws have you owned in the past?

    I've owned an E36 (lasted me 10 years), an X3 (I gave up on it after one year; I'm just not an SUV . . . excuse me SAV guy), a 2005 545i and a 2008 535xi. I like the E60 styling [​IMG]

    Oh yeah and an R1100R and a K75
     
  6. jet

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    Owners only allowed?

    The only BMWs I own are an R1200GS and a G650X Challenge. I haven't owned a car in 5 years, it doesn't make any sense when I don't have a permanent country of residence, but I've put about 20,000 miles on an E85, E90 and E92 over the last few years via my ex.

    I remember when the E39 came out that I didn't find it all that attractive compared to the E34, and I suppose that stuck with me over the years even though the later E39s were very handsome. I very much prefer the E60 though, as far as style goes, to any modern sedan on the road. The F10 is a little too visually heavy for me, but I will definitely wait for the M5 before making an opinion on the whole design. The F10 looks good in person, and even the F11 isn't nearly as bad in person as the pictures make it out to be.


    Oh...

    I've owned an E36 (lasted me 10 years), an X3 (I gave up on it after one year; I'm just not an SUV . . . excuse me SAV guy), a 2005 545i and a 2008 535xi. I like the E60 styling [​IMG]

    Oh yeah and an R1100R and a K75


    Sorry, the question was directed at kookz.
     
  7. Kookz

    Kookz Senior member

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    And the point of the question?
     
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    I always find it amusing that the last "real" car of any brand is the one the poster had. [​IMG] The 5-series since the E39 are no less real, though it does enjoy the strongest consensus I've seen for "last great 5-series," in the way that the 993 is still the last great 911.

    As far as lamenting the move to FWD - that hasn't even occurred yet! I agree that I'm not a fan of electric-assist power steering, though it's gotten better than its first release in the E85 Z4.


    I think there are some of us who think that cars are progressively getting "softer." Instead of focusing on things like how direct the steering feels, or how flat a car corners, or how neutral it handles at the limit, manufacturers are putting more emphasis on how soft the interior materials are, whether they should use bi, tri, or quad xenon headlamps, how quiet they can make the car, etc. Instead of actually making the car more engaging, they are looking to further isolate the driver from the vehicle. This is evident in the trend away from manual transmissions, the ever-increasing curb weights, the move away from a driver-centric center console, etc. It's as if drivers today don't actually want to "drive," they just want to sit there being transported from place to place in plush leather seats while they admire the soft interior bits and ambient lighting. Some might consider this trend as making cars more refined, but for those of us who actually enjoy driving, we'd prefer to keep things a bit more raw.
     
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    And the point of the question?

    You proved my point as I had suspected.
     
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    I think there are some of us who think that cars are progressively getting "softer." Instead of focusing on things like how direct the steering feels, or how flat a car corners, or how neutral it handles at the limit, manufacturers are putting more emphasis on how soft the interior materials are, whether they should use bi, tri, or quad xenon headlamps, how quiet they can make the car, etc. Instead of actually making the car more engaging, they are looking to further isolate the driver from the vehicle. This is evident in the trend away from manual transmissions, the ever-increasing curb weights, the move away from a driver-centric center console, etc. It's as if drivers today don't actually want to "drive," they just want to sit there being transported from place to place in plush leather seats while they admire the soft interior bits and ambient lighting. Some might consider this trend as making cars more refined, but for those of us who actually enjoy driving, we'd prefer to keep things a bit more raw.

    I agree, and I wonder, in the case of BMW, whether they see Lexus and Infiniti sales and believe that they have to make their cars even a little more like them (especially re softness of ride for the purposes of this discussion) to attract more customers(?). I really do think that the F10 drives a little bit "softer" than the E60.
     
  11. Birks and Grey Socks

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    I always find it amusing that the last "real" car of any brand is the one the poster had. [​IMG] The 5-series since the E39 are no less real, though it does enjoy the strongest consensus I've seen for "last great 5-series," in the way that the 993 is still the last great 911.

    As far as lamenting the move to FWD - that hasn't even occurred yet! I agree that I'm not a fan of electric-assist power steering, though it's gotten better than its first release in the E85 Z4.


    I stand by my comments that the E39 is the last real 5 series. Actually When I was looking to trade in the E39 540i, I desperately wanted to be impressed by the E60 545i. But during the test drive, it was wholely underwhelming. So I went back and bought the E39 M5. I kept that until 2 years year ago, I still miss that car dearly. There is not a single current model BMW that I would buy. To another poster I agree, the Jaguar XF is what I would get now. Beautiful in and out, I would imagine that it makes every drive feel like an occasion.

    Funny you mention 993. That is my weekend toy. And yes trying to find a clean 993 does cost a lot more than any 996 and many 997. There is a reason for this. supply vs demand

    my views are commonly shared. This is a good thead, BMW... "the ultimate sellout machine"

    http://www.autoextremist.com/current...extremist.html

    Make no mistake, FWD is coming in 3 years. I imagine the test mules are already running around somewhere

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...-cars-by-2015/

    Electric power steering....'nuff said
     
  12. impolyt_one

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    The jag XF is shitty. I see them all day in 2.7d trim on tiny wheels and they look like a ford mondeo
     
  13. spencers

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    I dont like where BMW is going with their models. They're all getting fat and bloated-looking. The 1-er seems like something the 3-er should be. And the 3-er is what the 5-er should be.. etc. etc.

    But really, sometimes I miss my E30, and I'd kill for a 135i.
     
  14. Birks and Grey Socks

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    I miss the E30s too, I did have a 325e. Great car, mediocre engine. I thought the same thing about the 1. Its exterior size is what the 3 should be. Is it just the fondness filter of past memories or is the passenger compartment and trunk area in the 1 smaller when compared to the E30? The current 3 has gotten huge, and the F10 is the same size of a E38 7 series But BMW isn't the only guilty manufacturer. Many other marques are just as bad. Take Honda for example. their Civic is now as big as what the Accord was only a couple of generations ago. Worse still, it's gotten so big, that they aren't selling well in Japan. With annual sales so dismal, Honda just decided to stop selling them altogether in Japan. Imagine, no more Civics in Japan. Warning, more BMW bashing.... Back in the day, BMW instrument cluster lighting use to be orange colored. As the purveyors of the Ultimate Driving Machine, BMW (and the scientific community) reasoned that orange light produces less strain to the human eye during night driving, so that the driver would be more alert to both the road and to the information given by the car. Today, we get iDrive. What a change in corporate direction.
     
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    Today, we get iDrive. What a change in corporate direction.

    We get what "they" (the other 99% of purchasers) want. Given that Audi proceeded to implement a very iDrive-like system shortly after BMW introduced it, it's hard to argue with the soundness of the corporate direction, despite us "drivers" not getting what "we" want.

    In spite of the fond memories of the E39, or in my case my E36, try to market one of those models new today in 2011 and see what happens.
     
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    I've seen the F10 many times on the road now and I gotta say that it is not ugly. In fact it looks pretty good even though it is gigantic. Especially the back side looks good, but I still need to get used to the current front styling (with the cut off nose).

    I own an E39 myself and over the years my love for the E60 has grown. I don't think it is ugly, especially in a sports trim, but I am still not overwhelmed by it. I actually feel the same about the F10. It is alright but not hands down my favourite car in its class.

    Funny discussion going on right away about the engine size. Over here in Holland the 523i and the 520d will probably be sold the most and some of you guys are immediately disqualifying the 528i, lol. The 550 will be a car that you'll hardly see over here. It costs 97.000 euros naked.
     
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    You proved my point as I had suspected.

    ojfc.
     
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    I stand by my comments that the E39 is the last real 5 series.

    I think your comments are valid and I agree with some of them. I was just remarking on your use of "real." Not liking it or a change in philosophy doesn't make the cars invalid. The disclaimer is actually a good sign, since it means the company is listening to the entire market rather than enthusiasts, as the latter will lead any car company into bankruptcy. The people that love the old cars are rarely the ones buying new ones, which is how a company survives. You don't convince BMW to change direction by keeping your E39 - you convince them buying getting an E-class or XF.

    Everyone loves the 993 now, but part of the reason they're so pricey is they sold so few. The enthusiasts may like it, but they weren't rushing out to buy it in the showrooms. The 996 is cheap in large part because they sold a TON of them, warts and all. From what I've seen, the low prices are starting to erode 993 values - there comes a point where a 996 for less money is too good a deal to keep looking for a 993. I'd personally skip paying big money for a 993 to get a 996 GT3 or Turbo.
     
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    I wouldn't give up on electric power steering yet. It seems like it's still an infant technology that hasn't had as much tuning as hydraulic power steering, and it's necessary if we want cars to be more efficient.

    --Andre
     

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